(please read the comments on Part 3 HERE first.)
I, like many of You,
at times have felt {sadness, rage, overwhelmed, helpless, urgency, stretched, appalled, frantic, panicky, stone-cold frozen, heartbroken, despair} when contemplating how to use my time and energy, how to pray, where to protest, who to beseech, where to Rail At The Top Of My Lungs,
in order to Make A Difference for those in need of assistance at the moment.
(Unless i could put all in the hands of Love,
where there is Peace, i would surely be a heroin addict by now)
I know a couple of things for sure;
one is that The Power of Love Exceeds All Things.
So, like most of you,
I work and love and play and pray and wait.
I once worked with those homeless folks who were severely affected by mental illness in Washington D.C. One day, some pimps gained entrance into the 30 unit dwelling i managed which housed 68 medicated folks (and me)--and i stumbled into their Big Drug Deal going on in the basement, Large Guns and Paranoia abounding.
I remember blinking a few times, then telling them, You've got to get out of here- the Social work folk and gov'mint people are on their way over to inspect! They looked at me and blinked a few times-- then left in a hurry. When I left D.C. I had a bullet hole in my truck which was my little badge of truly having lived in the middle of all the dots on the map printed in the newspapers when stories of D.C. crime and murder were written.
Although I once thought i'd be working to cure schizophrenia, my interests changed when in grad school and i moved away from the laboratory-oriented and more toward the human interaction. What interested me, eventually, was the Good in a person and the evil also available.
I no longer work with folks who are afflicted by schizophrenia or delusional disorders, although i am not afraid to stop and chat with them under the highway overpass, having learned that the really dangerous people in D.C. were actually in a big white domed building down the road.
But no one seems to be angry with me for having changed my focus. I myself am deeply grateful for those who are working to help or cure in the area of severe mental illness. --And who work to assist the hungry, the homeless, the refugees.
Do you ever feel like you should be helping out in Darfur or Congo or Afghanistan?
You must choose.
You must decide how you will make a difference.
Can you imagine helping those Haitians crushed by the earthquake and being vilified because you are not helping the Chileans?
What if you are building orphanages in Africa for the babies now alone due to AIDS--and you are taken to task for not helping the American babies orphaned by AIDS? True, the percentage of American babies is very small compared to the epidemic in Africa, but perhaps they hurt just as bad--maybe worse as they are surrounded by those unlike them, rather than being surrounded by the similarly-affected.
I use hyperbole to make the point. (If you do not understand metphor do not comment)
Antisocial personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.7): a pervasive disregard for the law and the rights of others.
Borderline personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.83): extreme "black and white" thinking, instability in relationships, self-image, identity and behavior.
Histrionic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.50): pervasive attention-seeking behavior including inappropriate sexual seductiveness and shallow or exaggerated emotions.
Narcissistic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.81): a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder
I, like many of You,
at times have felt {sadness, rage, overwhelmed, helpless, urgency, stretched, appalled, frantic, panicky, stone-cold frozen, heartbroken, despair} when contemplating how to use my time and energy, how to pray, where to protest, who to beseech, where to Rail At The Top Of My Lungs,
in order to Make A Difference for those in need of assistance at the moment.
(Unless i could put all in the hands of Love,
where there is Peace, i would surely be a heroin addict by now)
I know a couple of things for sure;
one is that The Power of Love Exceeds All Things.
So, like most of you,
I work and love and play and pray and wait.
I once worked with those homeless folks who were severely affected by mental illness in Washington D.C. One day, some pimps gained entrance into the 30 unit dwelling i managed which housed 68 medicated folks (and me)--and i stumbled into their Big Drug Deal going on in the basement, Large Guns and Paranoia abounding.
I remember blinking a few times, then telling them, You've got to get out of here- the Social work folk and gov'mint people are on their way over to inspect! They looked at me and blinked a few times-- then left in a hurry. When I left D.C. I had a bullet hole in my truck which was my little badge of truly having lived in the middle of all the dots on the map printed in the newspapers when stories of D.C. crime and murder were written.
Although I once thought i'd be working to cure schizophrenia, my interests changed when in grad school and i moved away from the laboratory-oriented and more toward the human interaction. What interested me, eventually, was the Good in a person and the evil also available.
I no longer work with folks who are afflicted by schizophrenia or delusional disorders, although i am not afraid to stop and chat with them under the highway overpass, having learned that the really dangerous people in D.C. were actually in a big white domed building down the road.
But no one seems to be angry with me for having changed my focus. I myself am deeply grateful for those who are working to help or cure in the area of severe mental illness. --And who work to assist the hungry, the homeless, the refugees.
Do you ever feel like you should be helping out in Darfur or Congo or Afghanistan?
You must choose.
You must decide how you will make a difference.
Can you imagine helping those Haitians crushed by the earthquake and being vilified because you are not helping the Chileans?
What if you are building orphanages in Africa for the babies now alone due to AIDS--and you are taken to task for not helping the American babies orphaned by AIDS? True, the percentage of American babies is very small compared to the epidemic in Africa, but perhaps they hurt just as bad--maybe worse as they are surrounded by those unlike them, rather than being surrounded by the similarly-affected.
When one begins to work to end the appalling spectacle of forced "dogfighting" one is inevitably drawn into the rest of the world of animal abuse and human selfishness, cruelty, or mental disorder.
But you cannot work for each and every one of these causes. I can hardly bear to read about the dolphin slaughter in japan or the other events of human cruelty (so vicious and without conscience i believe i will die of a broken heart attack pondering these things).
Warning- do not go here without steeling yourself.
I, like many of You, many times feel there is simply not enough time to do all the things I wish.
So--How does one choose?
Where to fight the fight?
Where to fight the fight?
There is no refuting that Rape is a common crime.
It is worldwide, it has gone on since the beginning, it is documented in literature, art, stories.
(The reason it was considered so wicked in some cultures was that another man had basically "trampled on" another man's property. Rape as a War Weapon is horrifically documented.)
The use of Drugs,
surreptitiously given, to incapcitate a would-be victim, is rising everywhere.
I have seen it here in my little village in kansas, Fu'Cryin' Out Loud! http://marysbeagooddogblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/alarming-rise-in-worldwide-drug.html
You have read some of the victim's accounts including being drugged on this blog. http://marysbeagooddogblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/effects-of-acquaintance-rape-on-normal.html
I have worked with several rape victims who were impregnated by their attacker. I have seen the babies and admire adoptive parents. I have worked with crime victims who were infected with syphilis, gonorrhea, and AIDS. I have worked with many who developed clinical depression, suicidality, heavy anxiety, phobias, and other post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms. Dropping out of school, marriages dissolving, families broken apart. In many years, in two decades as a therapist, an instructor, an advocate, a bartender, and a friend, i have encountered so many affected by this crime that i no longer doubt, as i once did, the big statistics.
To the Point:
All of the recent commenting about False Accusations points toward a whole area of pain and suffering that humans are bearing. Many of the posts insinuated or falsely stated that we here either 1) do not believe there are false reports or 2) that we think it is politcally correct to ignore them for a retribution of some sort. These erroneous and sometimes obscene accusations were made by the very folks who have borne this horrible injustice: to be falsely accused of a vile crime, with all the consequenses that entails--or by their supporters and loved ones.
I would like to suggest that these two areas are being improperly matched.
In fact,
In fact,
Sexual assault victims and those falsely accused are similar in aspects of the trauma they will suffer.
Sexual Predators and those who Falsely Report are both affected by Selfishness, need for power, perhaps an almost infantile level of ego management, and probably have "warped" personality styles (described below).
My work with assault victims is meant to serve them, male and female, adult and child. And i believe, along with many respected statistical sources regarding U.S. crime, that the overwhelming majority of reports are true. I must stress this in my work because in the past (and present) many victims were not believed.
Having seen the deep deep frustration felt by rape victims who are not believed, i think i can understand a small bit of the unbearable frustration of the falsely accused.
Not being believed is a stalemate.
It can drive one mad.
To be at the mercy of a liar perhaps must push some into the spiritual realm and the hope, the faith that All will be known and the Truth will be shown to all, for that is all that is left to one without power, when a lie is taken for the truth.
If one does not go to this hope, if one does not have Faith that the Truth will win and that Light will be shed on every thing, one might be driven to anger which becomes hatred. One's body becomes filled with bile and darkness. One's ability to love is shrunken and weak.
I myself made the choice to work with those who are victims of assault. Thus, I advocate for their truthfulness. (I believe i have encountered 2 who lied. I detected a falseness at the first meeting which was amplified at the second. I cannot speak for other countries, but in my experience in several of the United States, lying about rape is a very discoverable lie. The police i've worked with say that they are able to discern usually very quickly, differences between those who lie and that huge number of cases which are not lies.) In working with the court system, we find those who are telling the truth have a very low chance of justice. The accused does not have to prove s/he gained consent; the complainant Must prove beyond reasonable doubt that a felony occurred. One reason this is so difficult is that many elements of rape are also elements of non-criminal behavior. I have seen many guilty men not convicted because our standard of proof is so high. (Read last year's september-october posts for an example)
What makes a person LIE? What makes a person Rape? What makes a person lie about something or Steal something that will have massive consequenses/effects on innocent others? Maybe there are a lot of reasons. People who cheat and steal and rape and murder all lie about it. They all profess innocence. If everyone who professes innocence was telling the truth, i'd like to know, Where did all these DEAD BODIES come from?
Personality types (disordered) that are inflexible, that leave a wake of suffering, betrayal, and confusion are an interesting area of study, because they bring together that choice of self-centered greed or gain or need of some sort which borders on or becomes evil, with the normal natural decent behavior most cultures have come to expect. Cluster B (dramatic, emotional or erratic disorders) includes the disorders most likely to lie.
Antisocial personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.7): a pervasive disregard for the law and the rights of others.
Borderline personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.83): extreme "black and white" thinking, instability in relationships, self-image, identity and behavior.
Histrionic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.50): pervasive attention-seeking behavior including inappropriate sexual seductiveness and shallow or exaggerated emotions.
Narcissistic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.81): a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and a lack of empathy. e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrionic_personality_disorder
When a person lies about a crime being comitted, again there are a variety of motives which may come into play. One might lie to get insurance benefits. (My stereo was damaged in the mail.) One might lie to cover one's own tracks. (My car, filled with my children, was stolen and driven into a lake)
But those who make false accusations of this appalling crime, and those who commit this appalling crime, are two of a kind. That sociopathic personality in both males and females is to be avoided when possible, backed away from when encountered, and jailed when offending. I intend to point out this similarity in future discussions about the crime, thus bringing up the point of the false report.
This is common sense and you will not hear otherwise from me. I have decided to ask, when discussing this issue, "Why do you think those falsely accused suffer so much?" and to provoke a deeper look into the crime. So, i will to a small extent, bring your issue into my work.
But one cannot do everything.
To those working for the innocent who bear the terrible burden of the assault on your reputation, i thank you on behalf of us here, who hurt for all those affected by psychological or physical violence, lies, and the theft of the right to a peaceful life.
To those working for the innocent who bear the terrible burden of the assault on your reputation, i thank you on behalf of us here, who hurt for all those affected by psychological or physical violence, lies, and the theft of the right to a peaceful life.
"And i believe, along with many respected statistical sources regarding U.S. crime, that the overwhelming majority of reports are true"
ReplyDelete--and this is where your post failed. These sources regarding US crime about rape, were never 'respected' by any honest statistician. And we, false rape researchers, have shown, that on the contrary, almost up to 50% of reports are false. You, disregard this evidence. Knowing full well that you are aware of the FRS blog, you disregard this evidence.
The researchers who have found such a high false rape rate, are usually academics or other researchers working on their own. No government body such as the FBI actually records false rape claims. And Susan Brownmiller's lie that false rape claims are only 2%, was never based on any research whatsoever. It was merely quoted by other feminists and misandrists and it became a hoax factoid.
if you actually bothered to read the FRS blog, you would have found its evidence for the high false rape rate.
"but in my experience in several of the United States, lying about rape is a very discoverable lie. The police i've worked with say that they are able to discern usually very quickly, differences between those who lie and that huge number of cases which are not lies."
--really? And that's why we see so many falsely accused men released from jail? Men pardoned from DNA evidence, or from confessions that it was a lie. That's why we see police believing in a lie and "investigating" it, UNTIL the woman confesses it was a lie. That's why we see people like Rodriguez falsely accused and jailed for 4 years. Oops, what happened to their "powerful" bullshit detectors hmm???
"The accused does not have to prove s/he gained consent"
--well of course not. Just like an accused robber doesn't have to prove that they didn't rob someone. The burden of proof is on the accuser.
"the complainant Must prove beyond reasonable doubt that a felony occurred. One reason this is so difficult is that many elements of rape are also elements of non-criminal behavior. I have seen many guilty men not convicted because our standard of proof is so high."
---but, WAIT A MINUTE. If the standard of proof is so high, and that PROOF beyond a reasonable doubt is required, then HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW that the "vast" majority of cases are true, and that the person is not lying????
Surely if you KNOW for a "Fact" that the vast majority of cases are true, then SURELY you have REAL HARD PROOF that each of these cases are true right???? But then, you complain that a high standard of proof is required and therefore it is "difficult" to get a conviction. Well then HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT IT REALLY HAPPENED????
I have perused your site and have read the appalling accounts of false reports. I thank you as a fellow human for your work.
ReplyDeleteBut I also find so many comments on your site that jump to conclusions about the work of advocates. So many comments that generalize and falsely accuse those of us in the field of bad faith, of vile motives, such as being glad of false convictions.
Over the past two decades I myself have encountered each and every year dozens of women, children, a few men, who have been raped, assaulted, molested—who DO NOT report. They just want safety and healing.
They have no falseness in them. I know how they look, what they say, how they feel. I also have done extensive work with the personality styles who lie and bully and manipulate.
To claim that 50% of reports are false is ridiculous. There is an epidemic of sexual crime against women and children globally. There are --physically verified in hospitals-- horrendous numbers of sexual assaults of children and women in this country. I used to think the estimated number of rapes that occur on a campus our size was too large: I no longer think that.
Imagine,
God Forbid—that a loved one, a Friend of yours was assaulted. You found her stumbling incoherently, drugged, injured. You would help her and you would defend her against accusations that she was lying. This is what I do. You would then find how difficult it is to get justice, on the rare occasion that the crime victim wants to endure it.
I included the comment about “The accused does not have to prove s/he gained consent" because the opinions on your site posit that in these trials justice is not done in the usual way, that the accused is considered guilty beforehand. I simply have not found that to be true.
I have interviewed jurors after trials and found that they are loath to convict out of fear of putting an innocent man in jail. One juror told me, “we knew he was guilty and she was telling the truth but the State did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.” On further discussion, it was clear that that meant Beyond ALL doubt, and I have found this to be true for many jurors. Some call it the CSI effect.
I doubt that it is just that Kansas Women tell the truth more than others. When I lived in big cities on the east coast, again, women came in for trauma healing more than any other reason, like help reporting the crime. They did not consider reporting in most cases. They do not even like to say the man’s name, or they refuse to report it.
Until you, Sir, are able
or willing to understand how many Rapes, Sexual assaults, Attempted rapes, Druggings, Kidnappings, Traffickings are occurring, you are unable to correctly address the false report statistic. As horrible as each one individually is.
“We do not see things as they are, but as we are.” (Talmud?)
There is one statistic that cannot be false- murder. The high numbers of women murdered by their partners- after weeks or months of reporting beatings and rapes-speaks to the tapestry of crime so prevalent today by the bullying and insecure type of personality.
I urge folks to see the movie (won an academy award 20 years ago) Defending Our Lives to see how difficult it is to extricate oneself and one’s children from these common situations.
I have no doubt of the validity of this statement: The overwhelming percentage of reports: true. No doubt in my mind, based on a number of divergent and converging sources. Not the least of which is years of real life experience. Shame on anyone who falsely accuses this crime. I have no doubt that all deception, lies, evil are exposed and justice comes.
I wish you well.
"Over the past two decades I myself have encountered each and every year dozens of women, children, a few men, who have been raped, assaulted, molested—who DO NOT report. They just want safety and healing."
ReplyDelete--you just don't get it do you? No matter how many times we show that women, and even younger little girls, can and have and do so lie about rape and sexual abuse for many motives such as: money, sympathy, attention, custody, spite, revenge, etc etc...you still assume that these encounters are all genuine, and that none report precisely because they have no proof but want "safety and healing". A.k.a. sympathy and attention.
look, even little girls with behavioral problems have been known to willfully lie about sexual abuse for their own emotional gratification, including in youth development centers
http://objectifygirls.blogspot.com/2010/02/women-and-children-dont-lie-about-rape.html
"Enter the Samarkand Youth Development Center in Eagle Springs, North Carolina. In 2008, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) sponsored a survey which queried youngsters anonymously at various youth centers about conditions inside. Apparently, one area of concern for the DOJ was how many children were being sexually exploited in these youth centers....
According to an investigation by the North Carolina Department of Social Services, many of the girls "admitted to law enforcement officials that they falsified information."
Oddly, Linda Hayes (whom we assume to be a woman), the secretary of the Department of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention in North Carolina, stated that "gathering data anonymously from youth with histories of behavior problems can be unreliable."..."
"To claim that 50% of reports are false is ridiculous"
ReplyDelete--BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE RESEARCH SHOWS. Of course such pesky "facts" are irrelevant for you. It only sounds "ridiculous" to you because you have a "thou shalt believe depending on how much they cry" attitude.
http://antimisandry.com/showthread.php?t=25018
- A review of 556 rape accusations filed against Air Force personnel found that 27% of women later recanted. Then 25 criteria were developed based on the profile of those women, and then submitted to three independent reviewers to review the remaining cases. If all three reviewers deemed the allegation was false, it was categorized as false. As a result, 60% of all allegations were found to be false.1 Of those women who later recanted, many didn't admit the allegation was false until just before taking a polygraph test. Others admitted it was false only after having failed a polygraph test.2
- In a nine-year study of 109 rapes reported to the police in a Midwestern city, Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin reported that in 41% of the cases the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred.3
- In a follow-up study of rape claims filed over a three-year period at two large Midwestern universities, Kanin found that of 64 rape cases, 50% turned out to be false.4 Among the false charges, 53% of the women admitted they filed the false claim as an alibi.5
- According to a 1996 Department of Justice report, “in about 25% of the sexual assault cases referred to the FBI, ... the primary suspect has been excluded by forensic DNA testing.6 It should be noted that rape involves a forcible and non-consensual act, and a DNA match alone does not prove that rape occurred. So the 25% figure substantially underestimates the true extent of false allegations.
And according to former Colorado prosecutor Craig Silverman, “For 16 years, I was a kick-ass prosecutor who made most of my reputation vigorously prosecuting rapists. ... I was amazed to see all the false rape allegations that were made to the Denver Police Department. ... A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45%.”7
According to the FBI, about 95,000 forcible rapes were reported in 2004.8 Based on the statements and studies cited above, some 47,000 American men are falsely accused of rape each year. These men are disproportionately African-American.9
Some of these men are wrongly convicted, sentenced, and imprisoned. Even if there is no conviction, a false allegation of rape can “emotionally, socially, and economically destroy a person.”10
"There are --physically verified in hospitals-- horrendous numbers of sexual assaults of children and women in this country. "
ReplyDelete--and WHERE is your evidence for this??? This sounds like a feminist lie. One of which is that female domestic violence victims get injured or killed more than any other thing that kills women. When car accidents, lightening accidents, falling down, and a huge list of other things are what kill most women. And neither do female emergency room visits make up not even a quarter of female domestic violence victims. The figure is less than 1%
"I used to think the estimated number of rapes that occur on a campus our size was too large: I no longer think that."
ReplyDelete--too bad you haven't read ANY substantial number of blog posts on FRS, otherwise you would admit that this is complete bullshit
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2010/03/more-chicken-little-fear-mongering-that.html
It is yet another features piece intended to scare women about the alleged prevalence of rape on campus.
What is striking about the piece is the near-unanimity of the young women interviewed -- mostly sorority sisters -- who exclaim, without equivocation, that they feel perfectly safe on campus, and that they have never even heard of, much less experienced, the much ballyhooed male predatory misconduct. This, despite the experts' insistence that such misconduct is rampant and that any belief that women are safe on campus is misplaced.
One would think that if the experts were even remotely correct -- even in-the-same-galaxy-correct -- each of those women would have at least heard of multiple instances of such misconduct, and some would have experienced it first-hand. If, for example, one out of every four women on campus experienced a robbery or a burglary during their college years, aside from the fact that their parents would not allow them to attend college because it would be just too dangerous, every single person on campus not only would be conversant with the problem, but much of their lives would be geared around keeping them from being victimized by such crimes.
The fact that we don't see this even with all the fear-mongering about rape tells us what? The question scarcely survives its statement. The fact is, rape is not rampant on campus, or anywhere else in the United States, except prisons where males are the victims. Prison rape is treated not as what it is -- one of this nation's great shames -- but as a punch line....Yet, the feminist dogma that concocts these outrageous numbers showing rape is rampant insists that any rape claim that wasn't demonstrably false must have been an actual rape....The young women interviewed in the referenced story echo the conclusion Heather MacDonald reached in her landmark Campus Rape Myth piece, where she concluded that the one group on campus that doesn't buy the rape hysteria is the students, especially the young women. MacDonald noted: "If the one-in-four statistic is correct—it is sometimes modified to 'one-in-five to one-in-four'—campus rape represents a crime wave of unprecedented proportions. No crime, much less one as serious as rape, has a victimization rate remotely approaching 20 or 25 percent, even over many years. The 2006 violent crime rate in Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America, was 2,400 murders, rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults per 100,000 inhabitants—a rate of 2.4 percent. The one-in-four statistic would mean that every year, millions of young women graduate who have suffered the most terrifying assault, short of murder, that a woman can experience. Such a crime wave would require nothing less than a state of emergency—Take Back the Night rallies and 24-hour hotlines would hardly be adequate to counter this tsunami of sexual violence. Admissions policies letting in tens of thousands of vicious criminals would require a complete revision, perhaps banning boys entirely. The nation’s nearly 10 million female undergrads would need to take the most stringent safety precautions. Certainly, they would have to alter their sexual behavior radically to avoid falling prey to the rape epidemic.".....Dr. Christina Hoff Sommers previously plowed much of the same ground to great effect. She exposed the hysteria for what it is: gender-divisive, politicized advocacy that seeks to pit women against men
"You found her stumbling incoherently, drugged, injured"
ReplyDelete--yeah that's it, as if over 90% of self-claimed rape victims "stumble incoherently, are drugged, and injured."
"because the opinions on your site posit that in these trials justice is not done in the usual way, that the accused is considered guilty beforehand. I simply have not found that to be true."
--then why do we see men who were convicted and sent to prison for several years until after evidence is found or the woman confesses? Infact, many convictions have been based on not only but EYEWITNESS LINEUP claims, which have been found to be false, and after the person was convicted
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/351.php
There have been 252 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.
In more than 25 percent of cases in a National Institute of Justice study, suspects were excluded once DNA testing was conducted during the criminal investigation (the study, conducted in 1995, included 10,060 cases where testing was performed by FBI labs).
Eyewitness Misidentification Testimony was a factor in 74 percent of post-conviction DNA exoneration cases in the U.S., making it the leading cause of these wrongful convictions.
this isn't "proof beyond a reasonable doubt"
"One juror told me, “we knew he was guilty and she was telling the truth but the State did not prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.” "
--THEN HOW THE HELL DID THEY "KNOW" HE WAS GUILTY AND SHE WAS TELLING THE "TRUTH" IF THERE WAS NO PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT????!!!!!!
"When I lived in big cities on the east coast, again, women came in for trauma healing more than any other reason, like help reporting the crime. They did not consider reporting in most cases. They do not even like to say the man’s name, or they refuse to report it."
--once again. You have NO PROOF that all these rapes happened. And for the indication that almost 50% of REPORTED rapes are false. Is there a suggestion that the rapes that AREN'T REPORTED, may be even MORE LIKELY TO BE FALSE?????
"There is one statistic that cannot be false- murder. The high numbers of women murdered by their partners- after weeks or months of reporting beatings and rapes-speaks to the tapestry of crime so prevalent today by the bullying and insecure type of personality"
--WHAT?? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE FOR THIS??? In fact, in the US, MEN are spousal homicide victims upwards to over 40% of ALL spousal homicide!!! That's almost HALF! Wow, you have clearly drank the Kool-Aid. Is there any hope you will ever bother to read real facts?
also, women are more likely to cover it up because they use contractors and poison more often.
AND, a woman is much more likely to get a lighter sentence or let off completely under false pretenses of "self-defense" (without evidence required), than if a man did it!
the DOJ found that female spouses get on average 10 years less than male spouses even when it wasn't for self-defense
http://antimisandry.com/showthread.php?t=14308
The bias applies to victims as well as the accused. When Edward Glaeser of Harvard University and Bruce Sacerdote of Dartmouth College examined 2,800 homicide cases randomly drawn from 33 urban counties by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, they found that killing a female instead of a male increased sentences by 40.6 percent. Killing a white instead of a black, in comparison, increased sentences by 26.8 percent.
http://antimisandry.com/showthread.php?t=14308&p=99176#post99176
ReplyDeleteWife defendants had a lower conviction rate than husband defendants--
* Of the 222 wife defendants, 70% were convicted of killing their mate.
By contrast, of the 318 husband defendants, 87% were convicted of
spouse murder.
* Of the 100 wife defendants tried by either a judge or jury, 31% were
acquitted. But of the 138 husband defendants tried, 6% were acquitted.
* Of the 59 wife defendants tried by a jury, 27% were acquitted. But of
the estimated 91 husband defendants tried by a jury, none was acquitted.
Convicted wife defendants sentenced
less severely
An estimated 156 wives and 275 husbands were convicted of killing their
spouse. Convicted wives were less likely than convicted husbands to be
sentenced to prison, and convicted wives received shorter prison sentences
than their male counterparts--
* 81% of convicted wives but 94% of convicted husbands received a
prison sentence.
* On average, convicted wives received prison sentences that were about
10 years shorter than what husbands received. Excluding life or death
sentences, the average prison sentence for killing a spouse was 6 years for
wives but 16.5 years for husbands.
* Among wives sentenced to prison, 15% received a sentence of 20 years
or more (including life imprisonment and the death penalty); among
husbands, it was 43%.
No explanation for why State prison sentences
were, on average, 10 years shorter for wife
defendants than husband defendants
Wives received shorter prison sentences than husbands (a 10-year
difference, on average) even when the comparison is restricted to
defendants who were alike in terms of whether or not they were
provoked--
"The overwhelming percentage of reports: true. No doubt in my mind, based on a number of divergent and converging sources."
ReplyDelete--WHICH ARE THESE "convering" and "diverging" sources exactly??? Hopefully not the false 2% false rape claim totally made up by Susan Brownmiller and quoted by other authors, giving a false sense of consensus. Susan Brownmiller never did any research to find that claim, and based it on a New York Sex Crimes Unit "speech" which provided no research evidence whatsoever on this clam. It was a pure lie.
"Not the least of which is years of real life experience"
--this is not evidence. Sorry. You need real evidence of NONCONSENT and that the sex actually happened. Not crocodile tears and soap operas.
"I have no doubt that all deception, lies, evil are exposed and justice comes"
--WHAT??? Having "no doubt" that "ALL" deceptions are exposed, DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY DO. THE FRS blog and the Innocent Project continues to put out news showing that men are continously being exonerated or posthumously exonerated after years of prison from DNA evidence or false testimony.
men in the thousands are also losing their kids and homes from false abuse and rape allegations. Surely you should know this by now??? As I've already stated, VAWA does not require evidence of abuse.
Dear MARYSGOODDOG...
ReplyDeleteYour site is unfortunate to have these people that seem to me to be trolls of the first order - most likey that sit around naked in tinfoil hats spewing this crap from their pathetic empty lives.. my GOD! they are really intense and vapid. they seem to spew without end, i am not sure if i can visit your blog if these silly small minded fools keep posting, they have no virtue nor substance.
I suggest you wear an "Eye Condom" when reading their crap...
Diogenes- I have just a bit of time to answer a point or two.
ReplyDelete"To claim that 50% of reports are false is ridiculous"
you say:
--BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE RESEARCH SHOWS. Of course such pesky "facts" are irrelevant for you. It only sounds "ridiculous" to you because you have a "thou shalt believe depending on how much they cry" attitude."
Diogenes, those are your words, not mine. (i'm not sure why you want to make an assumption that i “have an attitude” based on “how a person cries”.) YOU bring up: crying, how many tears, crocodile tears, needs for sympathy, etc. as if that is my "test" or "evidence" --you state things i did not state and then ridicule them.
I actually love to argue research. I don’t get to do it much these days. I have found dubious studies on both "sides" of this issue. (You keep bringing up Susan Brownmiller because you are a student of feminism. I have not used her statements or research.)
When i bring up real life experience, i do not do so stating it is my research data.
[In one study i ran with troubled teens, i found truth in one statement you made, i.e., that a certain subset of behaviorally disordered children (and later adults for that matter)have high rates of lying, need for attention, etc.]
I just wonder if you have gotten a bit biased—that is, the damaging effect of false claims are (in fact) so horrible that you really are only interested in the research that supports your ideas. I believe this is the same pattern seen where certain radical thinkers in a variety of philosophies left the good path —but I digress.
I said that
"I used to think the estimated number of rapes that occur on a campus our size was too large: I no longer think that."
you answered, --“too bad you haven't read ANY substantial number of blog posts on FRS, otherwise you would admit that this is complete bullshit”----Um, Admit what is complete bs? “that I no longer think this?”
I’m sorry to say that even after reading a substantial number of posts on your site, as sorry as I am to hear each and every one, I still believe that the 50% number is ridiculous. If I posted every rape on my blog that had enough evidence to convince even you that it was a valid, real-life crime—break and entries, videos of group rape, kidnappings, raping mothers or daughters in front of sisters or brothers, serial neighborhood rapists with knives and guns, etc. etc., I would never stop posting. There would be hundreds every day.
And, since this particular blog is not meant to be focused on rebutting your arguments with a thorough literature review and metanalyisis, I will wait until I get a break to do just that. (thanks for posting your sources) Most of my many drawers of research are prior to 2002. Perhaps this summer I can pull together a large enough variety of reliable data sources and make the argument that the PERCENTAGE% is far less than you think.
This is a sad argument.
One is too many.
I think 4-6% is HORRENDOUS. But I think the numbers of women and children traumatized by the crime is horrendous as well. This is a sad argument. At least we can be civil while we have it.
Reading the FRS Blog for info or stats... is like reading a bubblegum wrapper for how to launch the space shuttle..
ReplyDeleteBy the way, have you looked into research about why people recant? Recanting does not mean the original report is false. I am looking forward to assessing the rigor of the studies you cite.
ReplyDeleteAnd BTW, an ever-increasing percentage of crime victims i see or that are seen by the various agencies i have contact with HAVE been drugged and HAVE injuries. they actually do not want to report or get attention--they want to forget and bury it. their friends or families bring them in because they have changed-anxiety, fear, other ptsd symptoms. Wish me well.
THE RIGOR of Their studies..???? HA HA Girl!
ReplyDeleteTheir RIGOR is in the self loathing of their own manhood.
as in" non-operational-unit syndrome = RIGORmoritis HA AHAHA
Tin hat wearin' boys with strong computers and sticky keyboards with cheez'its dust wiped on their pants...
i wish i waz smarts enof to make fun of them in a proper wayz
1. the comments of "anonymous" shows the kind of weasilesh behaviour that is a 'fan' of your blog katie. You see what men have to put up with, the misandric (Man hating), anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-reason, emotional attacks and insults that have no substance and which are spewed by countless people who themselves wear "eye condoms" AKA blinders, AKA "thou shalt not think."
ReplyDelete"Anonymous" just CALLS that my comments are CRAP. SHE NEVER PROVES HER POINT. She thinks CLAIMING her opinion IS GOOD ENOUGH, merely STATING it supposed to mean that somehow it's true all of a sudden
2. I brought up crocodile tears because your criteria for determining how a person is telling the truth is precisely as you said it: "I know how they look. I know how they're feeling, etc etc etc.." This isn't evidence. You gave no other criteria as to how you seperate the liars from the truth-tellers.
3. If you actually "loved" to argue research you would have admitted that REAL research has found that rape reports can be up to 50% false. You never addressed this issue. If you have found dubious studies on our side of the issue then you should bring it up, but you didn't.
4. I brought up brownmiller not because i'm a student of feminism, which definitely I am not, but because I suspected that might have been where you got your conclusions from. You after all stated that the MAJORITY of rape reports are true. How you came about for this conclusion you never state, despite my evidence to the contrary
5. what's the point of accusing me of "bias" WHEN YOU HAVE NO STATISTICS of your own to prove your claim??? The research I gave is quite credible and from independent sources.
6. katie, I gave an FRS blog post which talked about the Campus rape hoax. And all you did was dismiss it. You had nothing to say about it.
7. SIMPLY BELIEVING that the 50% number is ridiculous, DOES NOT MAKE IT SO. This is what you just cannot face up to. You cannot grow up and face to the fact that SIMPLY BELIEVING THINGS to be a certain way, DOES NOT MAKE THEM SO. There is something called science, data, evidence, facts. These are what is essential for making ANY CLAIM. BELIEF is not proof. This is the crucial aspect you are missing here. This is a very female oriented way of thinking: believing things to be so therefore they're true. It's not very scientific, it's more emotionally oriented, it's not data driven or empirical, just based on feelings and WHAT YOU FEEL and believe to be so. These aren't valid criteria honey. This is a very childish way of thinking and women are more susceptible to it than men.
8. "break and entries, videos of group rape, kidnappings, raping mothers or daughters in front of sisters or brothers, serial neighborhood rapists with knives and guns, etc. etc., I would never stop posting. There would be hundreds every day"
--and you have ALL VIDEO RECORDED EVIDENCE for every one of these stories is that it? By miracle a cam corder happened to be lying around and SOMEONE caught EVERY single one of these acts? And can you name me the witness who was able to record these instances? And how can a rapist allow his own rape to be video recorded by a victim or witness? and how did someone get a video of a serial "neighbourhood" rapist with knives and guns????
9. "And, since this particular blog is not meant to be focused on rebutting your arguments with a thorough literature review and metanalyisis, I will wait until I get a break to do just that."
ReplyDelete---a break from what exactly? Why this summer? why wait so long? How about giving me the references and summaries? Aren't they on your computer?
"This is a sad argument"
--it's not sad at all. It's called rape HYSTERIA for a reason. Hysteria = exaggerating it over and above the extent to which it really is occurring. This has dramatic implications and is not to be treated like another soap opera. Moreover, false rape rates overturn the dominant gender-feminist paradigm of rape, this is a crucial importance. Most people don't know about false rape and how equally damaging it can be, most only know about real rape. This is the difference. And SOME people, think being falsely accused is also minor and not as bad as real rape. So you see it's not a "sad argument" at all.
--if you actually CARED about being civil, perhaps you can tell your "anonymous" friend to stop being a troll.
Anonymous, simply stating that the FRS blog has no reliable info or stats, DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE. Proper evidence is required to prove your point. SIMPLY STATING SOMETHING DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE JUST BY VIRTUE OF YOU BEING A WOMAN AND THEREFORE having automatic authority over the discussion of rape. This is why you are like an 8 year old child. You just dismiss something and believe it to be so JUST BECAUSE YOU STATED IT. You have no interest in actually PROVING YOUR point. Then, you use emotional shaming tactics such as a lame joke. This is how an 8 year old child argues, not a full grown adult.
10. recanting ALSO doesn't mean THAT THE ORIGINAL REPORT IS TRUE EITHER. And HOW can you know THAT THE ORIGINAL REPORT WASN'T FALSE ANYWAY!!! See what I mean? This is an old argument and it doesn't work. You're already assuming the claim was true in the first place.
11. "ever-increasing percentage of crime victims i see or that are seen by the various agencies i have contact with HAVE been drugged and HAVE injuries"
--ever increasing? Is that it? Can you show me evidence from these agencies? "ever increasing" huh? so it was just a little a few years ago is that it? Now it's all blown out of proportion? And which are these various agencies you have contact with?
12. "they actually do not want to report or get attention--they want to forget and bury it. their friends or families bring them in because they have changed-anxiety, fear, other ptsd symptoms"
--Hmm, first, you admitted that some women and children do make these things up because of behavioural and attention problems, and now this? how do you separate the false from the real?
Anonymous,
ReplyDelete"Their RIGOR is in the self loathing of their own manhood."
--this is not a logical, scientific, rebuttal of the research. This is just an emotional shaming tactic. Erroneously and childishly trying to shame us ("self loathing of our own manhood") in an attempt to debunk the research is how an 8 year old child argues.
--this is not a valid rebuttal, sorry. You lose.
"as in" non-operational-unit syndrome = RIGORmoritis HA AHAHA"
--see what I mean with shaming tactics?? When women cannot logically debunk a man, they resort to shaming tactics that aim to humiliate or shame our manhood, genital parts, etc... I see this so many times. Whenever I have given real facts and evidence, this is what they usually come up with.
--another example is accusing us of having small weiners.
--these aren't logical scientific arguments. They are invalid.
1. I'm sure my anonymous commenter will get along perfectly with those generalizing commenters drooling hatred at FRS. -- Oooh, insulting with wicked intent IS fun.. I'm being sarcastic to tell you to clean your own house first.
ReplyDelete2. Just as men are hurt by the false accusation, women have been hurt globally and locally for a long time by assault and rape. Can we start an agreement there?
3. Even though every rape is not videotaped, do you believe they happened? I am picking up the sense that unless you have a video and 3 witnesses, you do not believe rape happens. kind of like yelling in the forest with only a deaf person to hear it...
4. I'm sorry i am unable to devote my time to attend to this discussion immediately, diogenes. i will reply to the point about recanting--i never said one way or the other about the truth of the original report. i merely said that recanting does not automatically mean one thing. You used it as a stat regarding false claims. Just trying to keep the terms clear. and i am not dismissing your claims--i said i would continue this exchange of info when i can. summer is when my various commitments and work load goes down. If you are actually interested in looking at the truth of things, as i am, why simply throw a pile of stuff at each other? allow me to peruse your sources and present to you what i have that has led me to my current conclusions.
finally-
of course, feeling something does not make it so. just as the lack of available evidence does not always mean it does not exist in reality.
i do not throw out my stats regarding druggings, injuries, etc. without establishing that this is a meaningful use of my time, that your intellect has some room for curiosity/expansion and the POSSIBILITY that you are not holding all the final complete data. I am open to hearing and reading you; if you are only angry then i do not want to give our (your and my) time away. As Time is more precious to me than almost anything. (BTW you seem to have real fun arguing with "trolls" [i have to make sure i know what that term means] - i wish i had that time)
1. you didn't address my issue with Anonymous. You stated that you hoped this discussion would be civil, when her comments were anything but and mine were actually intelligent and well meaning. And where does FRS druel "hatred"? They druel anger at women who lie about rape. Anonymous on the other hand, spewed real hate with trying to shame my manhood. You never said anything about this, you totally accepted it. And you want me to clean my own house "first."
ReplyDelete2. i know women have been hurt by rape. But that's not my issue with your opinion. My issue with your opinion is that you think most rape accusations are true but without giving evidence.
3. wait, so you DON'T have hard evidence of those men breaking and entering, serial rapists on the street with guns and knives, etc etc??? You said you DID have evidence, including "videotapes".
3. "Even though every rape is not videotaped, do you believe they happened?"
--wait a minute, ALL of them are supposed to have happened???? what about the ones where the woman lied? And what about the ones where we don't have proof that it happened, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DID HAPPEN.
--My issue is with your opinion that most rape claims are true, without the scant bit of real evidence to prove it. I don't consider any other kind of crime to be true just because someone claimed it, neither do I for rape and that's perfectly logical and reasonable. YOU on the other hand, have a bias towards BELIEVING that MOST of raped happened just because a woman claimed it. You aren't approaching it from a neutral view
--a videotape and an alibi is the only sufficient evidence that a rape occurred or not. HOW ELSE do you know that it may not have been consensual??? There's no other way. But for SOME REASON you automatically have an anti-male bias to BELIEVE from the beginning that it probably happened.
4. recanting doesn't automatically mean one thing I agree. But many times it DOES mean precisely that: she lied. Especially when there's other evidence for it: alibis, DNA, etc...
--ok, I shall wait for your evidence showing me that we have good reason to believe that most rape claims in the US, including ones not reported to police, are true and not motivated for ulterior motives, be it financial, emotional, etc...
"just as the lack of available evidence does not always mean it does not exist in reality"
--but it ALSO doesn't mean that it DID necessarily exist in reality either!!! And yet, you like to think that this is the case. "Lack of evidence" is not proof that most rape claims are true! So you can't keep using this line of reasoning.
--yes, it is totally possible that I do not know all the data. And I'm waiting for you and you haven't seem to produced anything yet. Since you're apparently a professional, I would have thought some data would already be on the computer.
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ReplyDeleteGOSH.. and i mean when I call you ASSHOLE ..IN ALL CAPS...
ReplyDeleteI am just funning with you of course..
I don't have the HATE invested in this you may believe...
I am a tourist. and you sir are the naked indigenous emerging from the 1000 year old forest.. and i am simply laughing at your cultural attire....
Youse guys are a fun bunch to read. I just wanted to say that after reading this blog for a few months, when Katytold says "To be at the mercy of a liar perhaps must push some into the spiritual realm and the hope, the faith that All will be known and the Truth will be shown to all, for that is all that is left to one without power, when a lie is taken for the truth.
ReplyDeleteand "I have no doubt that all deception, lies, evil are exposed and justice comes"
I beleive she is referring to the spiritual realm.
Everyone has terrible crosses to bear. (like dating a tiny guy or a liar girl) So try to do it without hating.
1. if you're 9 then you need to work on your logic abilities alot. Here is a good place to start:
ReplyDelete-believing something to be true doesn't make it so.
-real evidence is required to verify something.
-look up "double standard."
2. i mentioned that you weren't civil, because katie stated that we should keep it civil, and you were not but she never said anything against it. And if I said the same thing and called it a "joke" you wouldn't accept that. I never said for you to "speak" for her.
3. if this discourse is "pointless" because you refuse to prove your argument, then go away and you should have never said anything and made childish insults. That you don't INTEND on proving your case shows that you can't.
4. An eye condom ARE blinders, what else would be the point of YOU telling HER to wear one??? "eye condom" used to cover eyes what else is it for? HENCE, "see no Truth believe no Truth". You specifically stated an EYE condom, HENCE, blinders from SEEING the Truth.
"I suggested she protect her mind from the spiritual crusade you and your followers are single-mindedly hell bent on"
--NO, what this REALLY means is: DON'T EVEN BOTHER TRYING TO PROVE YOUR POINT AND JUST IGNORE HIS CLAIMS.
5. a joke about WHAT exactly??? first its wading through my "scat" which is a "flapdoole undertaking" for some unmentioned reason, then all of a sudden it's JUST A JOKE???
6. the fact that you wrote a whole dumb ass story about "small penises", and avoided the important issue altogether, only supports my point
7. I actually have READ about rape stats and the legal system and how rape cases are treated. HAVE YOU???? I have gave RESEARCH evidence which supports my argument, HAVE YOU????
Do you know, ANYTHING about stats or how many rape cases are actually True and how many are just lies??? Show me.
This is what you refuse to understand about yourself: YOU NEVER TRY to prove me wrong, ever. You don't have any stats, no research, not even an ATTEMPT to prove to me that the 'overwhelming' number of rapes are true
cj: "I beleive she is referring to the spiritual realm. Everyone has terrible crosses to bear. (like dating a tiny guy or a liar girl) So try to do it without hating."
ReplyDelete--are you totally deranged? There's no "justice" in the "spiritual" realm for the falsely accused man. His earthly life is permanently tarnished and his name will be smeared. He will lose job prospects, friends, the respect of people he knew, etc... There's only hell for life for the falsely accused. And that you think this is a "cross" to bear, as bad as dating a guy with a small wiener, shows, how ignorant you are of the scope of false rape.
Time for a quick note here: While i intend to answer all genuine questions posed here--although it may not be immediately; and perhaps by the end of april i will log a new post called "Answering Diogenes" because the questions and answers are substantial and lengthy--in the meantime,
ReplyDeletei am considering taking down some of the comments because of the incivility.
yes, there is a teaching value in leaving them up; but that only goes so far. Diogenes, you cannot claim you are civil when you put such as this up:
--"too bad you haven't read ANY substantial number of blog posts on FRS, otherwise you would admit that this is complete bullshit" ("this" refering to my belief that there are a lot of rapes on campus that do occur)--Come on, you sound in most of your notes like someone so angry you have bile in your mouth. Which of course, provokes the wild and wickeder stuff. In an earlier post many (who were commenters linked to me from the FRS site) told me they wanted to "rape my soul" and hoped i "felt the hate coming through my computer screen". i took some down. this type of thing of course engenders more anger from every side. i respond to none of it.
I respond to none of it.
I remember a long time ago
when i became sad to see how many women who worked for the equality, health, and safety of women and children became so angry they could no longer have a give and take conversation. Because injustice begets bitterness.
And false accusations surely being almost impossible to bear,
unless one is Mother Teresa or the Christ,
combined with certain social and legal factors, are the perfect storm for making one so angry that bitterness takes over. I am sure you do not want to become like those you despise.
Last year i first encountered the FRS site.
i had accidentally found it searching the web.
I myself personally was being insulted and reviled on the site and made fun of because of an event on our campus.
[We have had a so called serial rapist in 2 cities in kansas who enters homes at night, binds and assaults the victim in the same manner each time. The state's attorney and police had come to try to warn and give info to "lower the risk" of being targeted or becoming a crime victim.]
As the advocate here, i was invited to say a few words after the attorny general left. Which i did. Part of my job is to educate both men and women about the crime of rape. [I do not only work with rape victims- also with family members of those hurt by violence have come, men who have been beaten have come, and 2 times men have come to me to ask for help for being falsely accused.]
So- as i looked back over that post it is hurtful because of the false assumptions about that event and the purpose of it and the meaning in it.
It just seems like the main problem between you and i is that you are unwilling to say that there is in fact a lot of violent crime going on. Some by "sex beasts" and some by charming little sociopaths. So, i will answer you and your point by point questions in the future. Cheers.
Katie,
ReplyDelete1. yes I did consider it bullshit that you believe that there are alot of rapes on campus that occur, seeing that you have no proof to prove this claim, so far, and that several FRS blog posts have covered this specific issue. Second, if this is "incivility" then I won't say it's "bullshit", I'll say, "there's no proof of this claim and you cannot claim it to be true without evidence." That better?
2. how come you didn't take down "Anonymous" incvil posts? The ones where she attacks my manhood, and makes puns with "rigour" etc etc?? All her comments were spam and "incivil."
3. can you show me where on FRS you were being insulted and reviled? And what 'event' on your campus was it?
4. putting a search for 'kansas' on FRS comes up with these posts: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/search?q=kansas
and what do you know? 1 false rape claim already on a university!
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2009/09/sex-crime-report-found-to-be-false.html
and this was BEFORE the "lecture" they gave to the university about rape. NOT ONCE did they mention the problem of false rape, even when ONE IN THE SAME AREA occurred by a female college student a few weeks earlier. AND the female remained anonymous.
"So- as i looked back over that post it is hurtful because of the false assumptions about that event and the purpose of it and the meaning in it."
--it wasn't false assumptions at all, the purpose and meaning of it was clearly: gender feminist misandric (man-hatred) advocacy. The portraying that all reported rapes are true and that no woman lies about rape, that was the tone of the entire lecture. Not once did they mention the false rape that occurred several weeks earlier in the same area, and neither do they talk about the problem of false rape in general, especially if a man is named.
neither do they talk about the notion that just because a woman was drunk and she ended up having sex with a guy, that she can say she was 'raped' after because the guy was ugly or something. This side of the issue was not discussed.
5. No, I do know violent crime is going on. But YOU, magically want to believe that it's in gigantic proportions where female college students are getting raped everyday, and that females in general by the hundreds are getting raped everyday in towns and small cities. You want to believe this is true without any evidence whatsoever.
You want to believe that 95% of reported rapes are true, when we have conclusive research showing that up to 50% of reported rapes are false, and these are only the ones that willingly confessed to be false.
charming little sociopaths what the hell????? Look, a woman cannot claim she was raped by saying she was "seduced" and that she wasn't responsible for having sex even though there was no physical force involved. If there's no physical force and coercion involved, "seduction" is not rape. Regret after the fact is not rape.
Dio- 1. i said, "I used to think the estimated number of rapes that occur on a campus our size was too large: I no longer think that."
ReplyDeleteyou stated," --too bad you haven't read ANY substantial number of blog posts on FRS, otherwise you would admit that this is complete bullshit"
your logic is faulty to say you think it bullshit that i believe something. My Belief IS what i report it is. and Just because FRS posts something doesn't make it a closed subject.
2. the one rather heated/Xrated post from anon was deleted by me long ago.
3. you have the wrong "university event" and are getting excited and
making claims based on a false assumption. try "attorney general"- were you there? This was about a home invasion serial rapist.
4. My immediate proof is that i work with the aftermath. i see with my own eyes and discern with my own brain (at length) the incoherent, cut/bruised, traumatized people. I work with the nurses who treat the 4 year olds with ripped genitalia, etc. For all your studies i give you real life. and later, as i stated earlier, i will give you research as well, at the beginning of summer.
Diogenes, I thought you accepted that there were actual rape victims. If you cannot accept that there are a lot of rape victims, (separate from the issue of false reports) we really don't have a starting point.
Final-your understanding of sociopaths is incomplete. your final paragraph bears no relation to what i refer to regarding sociopaths when it comes to rape. of course, women and girls being tricked or seduced by charmers is not rape. it is simply disgusting and dishonorable. it is simply a man manipulating others to feel better about himself. shameful but not rape.
search my blog for sociopath and you can see what i mean.
i am on sick leave and must end.
please consider the pain and actual trauma of real rape victims, sadly plentiful, as i have of late tried to include your point of view in my discussions of the subject.
1. Yes it doesn't make it a closed subject, but you haven't provided any evidence that "the estimated number of rapes that occur on a campus our size was too large: I no longer think that" and the FRS has provided evidence that this is not true.
ReplyDelete2. I don't have the wrong university event. It is this one isn't it, with the attorney general as you stated? http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2009/09/attorney-general-stresses-rape.html The lecture said nothing about false rape, neither did it mention about the false rape that occurred several weeks ago in that same area
3. "incoherent, traumatized" is not an objective criteria for evidence. Many people act this out and that's how they make people believe in false rape. And for cuts and bruises, that is one of the ways that may indicate something happened. 4 year olds with ripped genitalia, as if most rape victims are 4 years old? Ok I will wait for your research
I do accept that there are rape victims, what I don't accept is your opinion that "most" reported are true. You infact earlier commented that around only 4-8% of reports are false. Other research has found that this is quite an underestimation, with false reports reaching as high as 50%. The large discrepancy is my issue.
4. concerning "seducers and charmers", you are in effect stating that females are not responsible for choosing who they have sex with. No man can "trick" or "seduce" girls into sex, it is her choice in the end. Don't infantilize women and dump blame on men by claiming that if a female ever FEELS "tricked" (even though it was still totally her choice and her feelings are not always reality), that means it's the man's fault.
if you didn't claim that seducers are rapists, then why did you state this?
"It just seems like the main problem between you and i is that you are unwilling to say that there is in fact a lot of violent crime going on. Some by "sex beasts" and some by charming little sociopaths."
--you just claimed above that 'violent crime' includes 'charming' seducers.