Warning: some of the comments below the post and under part 4 contain violence and grotesque obscenities. I have removed the worst ones.
(Anyone who reads this blog knows that we feel ALL evil, violence, lies, and deception are wrong. I have no time prioritized to respond to lengthy convoluted diatribes filled with incorrect perceptions, deliberate misquoting, and little barking insults. People hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
I am thinking about the comment, left yesterday--
And I'm wondering this: Why so childish?
That is, why put an insult in the first sentence, and then stop any conversation or hope of communication with the second sentence? The second sentence actually shows the agenda-as if-"nothing you can say matters to me- my mind is closed- so don't try to speak"-- And as i read the actual blogsite (on an issue which surely needs good, educational, informational, advocating assistance) this is apparently true.
Why is the speech and writing of these folks filled with so much HATE? (It is ironic that they are apparently angry not just at their false accuser but at women who in the past were radically "angry at men for committing so much rape".)
Now, I have never been a GROUP HATER-- that is, i don't know if it was the way i was raised or a biological/personality sort of thing, but as much as i deplore (and get sick over) the crimes of violence against women, children, and men, i have not found myself Hating Men (the usual perpetrators). And by the way, the Primary Source of violence against men is also from Men.
But on this False Accu Site i find that
1) they are mad at and poke fun with degrading and insulting language: women, those who criminally accused them, feminists, those suspected of being evil, etc.(--all are lumped together--and they apparently up-front Assume all women dealing with "the Issue" are radical haters-)- for supposedly being man haters due to the general issue of rape. (BTW_ they seem--nonsensically-- to instantly despise anyone who is an Advocate for victims of violence, never mind the fact that we help both men and women here.)
2) BUT! Then they take up that mantle and decide to MODELthat behavior; that is, to become radical women-haters because a small percentage of women have wronged them in an egregious, hideous way.
3.they then expand the hatred to anyone who works to alleviate the circles of pain caused by sexual assault.
Sadly, I am sure there is a need for a good supportive, truthful, educational site about false accusations. Too bad this one is so draped and saturated with anger, bitterness, and bile. I guess most groups have to go through, like an immature child, the tantrums of Justice Denied. It is hard to stay honorable, peacefilled, grown-up and loving after being attacked, isn't it? Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had to plead with his followers NOT to use violence and hate. "Let no man pull you low enough to hate him."
In fact, i have been struck by how many women forgive and move past the horrible crimes committed against them...
and let me restate:
-- the reason false reports --rare as they are--are so HORRIBLE is that the CRIME is so horrible. (No one really cares if they are falsely accused of littering.)
I feel sorrow for all humans (and animals) hurt by other humans. Those who react by nurturing hatred and are now filled with deep bitterness are ruining their own lives by not keeping a good spirit. I know that rape victms over the years, the generations, the various countries, felt the frustration that those falsely accused must feel- frustration that the TRUTH is being denied. That Justice is delayed. Yes. That is a TERRIBLE cross to bear.
"Everything is OK in the end-- if everything is not OK, it is not the end." "The Mills of God grind exceedingly slow, but they grind exceedingly fine." "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is in an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob, and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." Frederick Douglass "O righteous God, who searches minds and hearts, bring to an end the violence of the wicked and make the righteous secure." -Psalm 7:9 "[The LORD] mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble." -Proverbs 3:34
He who decides a case without hearing the other side, though he decide justly, cannot be considered just. - Seneca (Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
(Anyone who reads this blog knows that we feel ALL evil, violence, lies, and deception are wrong. I have no time prioritized to respond to lengthy convoluted diatribes filled with incorrect perceptions, deliberate misquoting, and little barking insults. People hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest.
part 4:
I am thinking about the comment, left yesterday--
"Would you care to furnish objectively verifiable stats on false rape claims, as I've done twice in the past several days, instead of positing self-righteous blather?
I thought not.
Pierce Harlan False Rape Society"
And I'm wondering this: Why so childish?
That is, why put an insult in the first sentence, and then stop any conversation or hope of communication with the second sentence? The second sentence actually shows the agenda-as if-"nothing you can say matters to me- my mind is closed- so don't try to speak"-- And as i read the actual blogsite (on an issue which surely needs good, educational, informational, advocating assistance) this is apparently true.
Why is the speech and writing of these folks filled with so much HATE? (It is ironic that they are apparently angry not just at their false accuser but at women who in the past were radically "angry at men for committing so much rape".)
Now, I have never been a GROUP HATER-- that is, i don't know if it was the way i was raised or a biological/personality sort of thing, but as much as i deplore (and get sick over) the crimes of violence against women, children, and men, i have not found myself Hating Men (the usual perpetrators). And by the way, the Primary Source of violence against men is also from Men.
But on this False Accu Site i find that
1) they are mad at and poke fun with degrading and insulting language: women, those who criminally accused them, feminists, those suspected of being evil, etc.(--all are lumped together--and they apparently up-front Assume all women dealing with "the Issue" are radical haters-)- for supposedly being man haters due to the general issue of rape. (BTW_ they seem--nonsensically-- to instantly despise anyone who is an Advocate for victims of violence, never mind the fact that we help both men and women here.)
2) BUT! Then they take up that mantle and decide to MODELthat behavior; that is, to become radical women-haters because a small percentage of women have wronged them in an egregious, hideous way.
3.they then expand the hatred to anyone who works to alleviate the circles of pain caused by sexual assault.
Sadly, I am sure there is a need for a good supportive, truthful, educational site about false accusations. Too bad this one is so draped and saturated with anger, bitterness, and bile. I guess most groups have to go through, like an immature child, the tantrums of Justice Denied. It is hard to stay honorable, peacefilled, grown-up and loving after being attacked, isn't it? Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had to plead with his followers NOT to use violence and hate. "Let no man pull you low enough to hate him."
In fact, i have been struck by how many women forgive and move past the horrible crimes committed against them...
and let me restate:
-- the reason false reports --rare as they are--are so HORRIBLE is that the CRIME is so horrible. (No one really cares if they are falsely accused of littering.)
I feel sorrow for all humans (and animals) hurt by other humans. Those who react by nurturing hatred and are now filled with deep bitterness are ruining their own lives by not keeping a good spirit. I know that rape victms over the years, the generations, the various countries, felt the frustration that those falsely accused must feel- frustration that the TRUTH is being denied. That Justice is delayed. Yes. That is a TERRIBLE cross to bear.
"Everything is OK in the end-- if everything is not OK, it is not the end." "The Mills of God grind exceedingly slow, but they grind exceedingly fine." "Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is in an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob, and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe." Frederick Douglass "O righteous God, who searches minds and hearts, bring to an end the violence of the wicked and make the righteous secure." -Psalm 7:9 "[The LORD] mocks proud mockers but gives grace to the humble." -Proverbs 3:34
He who decides a case without hearing the other side, though he decide justly, cannot be considered just. - Seneca (Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
In my experience, some rape feminists choose to paint our blog in the manner you suggest because they are offended by the facts that we have the temerity to point out. They are also offended that we have the audacity to stand up to one college newspaper after the next that parrot sexual assault counselors who suggest that false rape claims are a "myth." They don't dare argue facts with us, mind you. They know that's an argument they can't win. Some of them have publicly wished for me to be brutally raped. Most simply retreat to defamation, by labeling us misogynists -- you see, we MUST hate women, because we cite objectively verifiable fact that shows that -- HORRORS! -- some women do lie about rape. Ah, mustn't let the truth interfere with a good feminist victim metanarrative. So it's "You are evil, we are good, and that's the end of the discussion."
ReplyDeleteThat sort of ham-handed rhetorical trick might work in high school, or in a Women's Studies class, but we are too weary, too jaded, and lightyears beyond that. All due respect.
I recently stirred up a hornet's nest on my blog (believe it or not, I get more angry mail from true misogynists than from radical feminists -- who, ahem, are too timid to write to me directly, most won't even link to me) when I revealed how much mail I get from actual rape victims who support what we do. Surprising? Not to me. Their primary enemies are -- you guessed it -- false rape accusers, and they know how much damage false accusers do to actual rape victims. Too bad feminist rape advocates don't seem to care about that at all (and I mean, not at all). Who'd have thunk it! The people most affected by rape don't buy into the politicization that rejects anything I have to say at my blog, merely because I say it. They hate rape, as do I, and they hate false rape accusers, as do I. Too bad the rape advocates couldn't care less about the latter.
I have no control over my commentators and do not tolerate painting an enttire gender in a negative light. Read my comments policy. "Women" are not false accusers; SOME women are. Just as "men" are not rapists; SOME men are.
But you are correct about one thing: we are in a war with a nasty strain of feminism that insists false rape claims are a myth, and we aren't happy about it. Too bad our opponents are content to spread half-truths and outright lies, and to paint us as something we are not, rather than deal with us honestly. Rather than debate facts. Rather than JOIN WITH US so we can all eradicate both rape AND false rape claims. I've made that offer repeatedly but no one has ever responded to me.
Helping rape victims is wonderful; fomenting false accusations by suggestion evey rape claim must be true (which means the male who was accused MUST be a rapist), and denigrating the victimization of the falsely accused by pretending they are a myth, are morally grotesque.
Pierce Harlan
FALSE RAPE SOCIETY
I just did a post about your blog.
ReplyDeleteIf you ever want to debate facts instead of relying on your serene self-righeous ipse dixit, I'd be happy to do it. But first, you would do well to actually study the issue instead of parroting crap that is without factual basis. Seriously. You do rape victims a disservice with that sort of tactic.
And shame on you for using Christ in a site that is so hateful to a class of victims you want to pretend doesn't exist. Shame on you!
One in three men in New Zealand have been raped. "This behavior impacted the men: a 2007 Bloke survey revealed that 29% of the 5,000 men felt they had been pressured into having sex or had had sex unwillingly." http://news.softpedia.com/news/Which-Are-the-Wold-039-s-Most-Promiscuous-Women-80450.shtml
ReplyDeletewhile rape of men in prison is more common than rape of women out side.
And women commit the larger majority of domestic violence and child abuse and child deaths.
Harvard Medical School Study of Domestic Violence – http://www.patienteducationcenter.org/aspx/HealthELibrary/HealthETopic.aspx?cid=M0907d
Perpetrators of Child Fatalities – http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm06/figure4_2.htm
Perpetrators of Child Maltreatment – http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/pubs/cm06/figure3_5.htm
Time to stop being addicted to pretend victimhood feminists.
False rape claims aren't rare. They're actually quite common. You madam, are a sexist and a bigot.
ReplyDeleteHave a good day.
Who hates who? I hate women because I'm shocked at how prevalent false claims are? That makes me hate who? Women in general? Riiiight. I'll make sure to tell my 48-member family of women that I am hating them for being shocked at how false rape claims take away the focus from real victims of rape.
ReplyDeleteYou are just off. Really off.
We hate feminists for many reasons, not least because they think that victims of false rape allegations are acceptable collateral damage on their crusades of lies, marxism, and misandry.
ReplyDeleteOh MY!
ReplyDeletefirst, to the LAST (anonymous) comment- i'm sorry to hear you say you hate people. That is not good for you. it will eat you up inside and, it will not help the cause of peace.
Archivist--
I will try to address the most confused comments from the first note above.(If you read my blog, you will not find hate toward men, because i have not shifted into generalizing my sorrow/anger at criminal acts or violence onto a class of people. Selfish felons, Bullies and thugs can be either sex.)
First of all, you seem to have jumped to conclusions about me personally, because i am an "advocate for victims of violence". I do not work in the Women's Studies Department, i have not identified any group or politics or name by which you can label me. My graduate work was (clinical psych) in the area of the sociopathic personality style, child abuse, and related areas. So -Why transfer your bitterness onto me?
I would like to know.
2. Anyone reading your blog can feel the generalized disdain-anger-hate toward women because those are the words and sentences written there. The same pattern -- misguided anger which led some early feminists to dismiss all men--you or your followers appear to be repeating.
We each have our work to do. Thanks for doing your part. The issue of false reporting is not my primary focus, but the focus of ALL our work is about integrity, honor, truthfulness, and other characteristics of decent people. Anyone who knows me knows i die a little death when hearing about false reports- and not primarily because of how it impacts my work but because of the HORROR of being falsely accused of such a despicable act (rape).
3. you wrote, "And shame on you for using Christ in a site that is so hateful to a class of victims you want to pretend doesn't exist. Shame on you!"
well, i have never said there are no false rape reports. Crime/rape victims have been blamed, disbelieved, or ignored for so long, over time, globally, that our work is to let most folks know that in general, they should believe their sister, mother, daughter, son, girlfriend when s/he says a rape occured. On your own blog, many weeks ago, i empathized with the victims you work for and wished you well. Why would you claim that i pretend they don't exist? It seems like you want us to fight, while i'm sure we have common ground. [If you asked me, i would tell you that some females "blame the victim" worse than anyone. (That is my experience, not based on research).]
The sorry state of things is that there are so many rapes that really occur in the world that the false accusations are merely a small fraction of the total.
Be Careful as you call for shame on me. If you knew me, my family, my work, you might stay that call. My blog is a place for healing for those traumatized by violence, so we discuss the feelings the result from this crime. For balance, I post many beautiful things, mostly from God's Good creation, the animals, the glory of nature, and with great softness, i choose, from time to time, 1 or 2 pictures from hundreds i have of Jesus.
Why will you deny me or any hurting individual the Sweet Face of Jesus Christ, to gaze upon and share? For that matter, if there is any hatred, or bitterness, or anger, (held by anyone anywhere) which i always advise to shed and move beyond, what better than to gaze upon the loving face of One most vilified-most wrongly treated-most humbled and truth-filled?
Please,
while all of us in the work of helping do get overwhelmed with anger from time to time, and vent in various ways, can we agree that adding more anger or hatred onto the planet cannot help a movement toward peace, honor, justice?
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ReplyDelete"Why do these men HATE so much? It is ironic that they are angry at women who are angry at men for committing so much rape..... It is hard to stay honorable, peacefilled, grown-up and loving after being attacked, isn't it?"
As a falsely accused, I HAVE BEEN attacked. Yet, I harbor neither ill-will, nor anger, nor hatred towards anyone. However, I am angry with a judicial system that has been perverted to allow false accusations to proliferate at the expense of young men, boys, and occasionally women.
Of course, my feelings about the issue no longer matter. The law has decided how I will think about and relate to women from now on (or until the law changes). My false accuser and the ongoing investigation make me less likely to consider that there are others with compassionate viewpoints that care for men and women equally -- those people who live relatively "normal" lives like I used to do before being falsely accused.
Since being falsely accused I've lost the pursuit of happiness; my joy is gone; my faith in people has been shattered; my trust in government and the justice system no longer exists; I've lost my job; I have no health insurance; My health conditions (heart and blood pressure problems) are now largely untreated and continue to worsen from the stress and anxiety of potentially losing my freedom-- all because of woman who lied or is delusional. I've lost some friends, and now when acquaintances look at me they ask what's wrong -- and I can 't tell them. I feel part of me has been murdered because I cannot share the truth of my innocence and the facts in my case while my accuser is afforded every comfort, consolation, and support. I see happy couples and I wonder if either one will end up falsely accused at some point and have to live with or live through what I am experiencing now.
ALL women that I currently interact with or whom I may potentially interact with here in the US (and perhaps world-wide) have the ability to destroy me with a single lie, simply because of my gender, fully supported and advocated by the judicial system and special interest groups. As others have mentioned on the False Rape Society (FRS) site, they don't even need to involve the law, they can simply use informal networks and spread gossip and rumor in a vilification campaign. It's not a division of gender or other issue that I WANT to see, but MUST SEE, so that what's left my freedom, health, and sanity can be preserved.
Does False Rape Society (FRS) foment how I feel? No. I own it all. In my case, FRS merely documents, reflects and validates some of what I feel and think, and it helps me to realize that I am not alone. The most vocal views on all sides of the issue are not necessarily representative merely because the majority have not (yet) been falsely accused. Just as with the false accusations of being a witch in the Salem Witch Trials, when enough false rape accusations (FRAs) happen to people in all walks of life and at every economic level and it results in a decline in public confidence in the judicial system (that is convicting and even executing innocent people) -- only then will things change and only then will the insanity stop. Maybe then I will again see compassion in the world, and care for women in the same way I once did, but I don't think it will come in my lifetime. Until then, by necessity, my relationships with the female gender are forever guarded and changed. Many of the other falsely accused that post on FRS share some of the same sentiments. It's funny. I'm not bitter or angry or hate-filled. I simply want to warn others of the perils of a justice system that affords rights and privileges to one gender at the expense of another gender. Ultimately, I really just want be left alone, to be free to go my own way, and to find peace.
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ReplyDelete"I guess most groups have to go through, like an immature child, the tantrums of Justice Denied."
Please tell that to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela. Do you also consider them to be immature people who were throwing tantrums? We falsely accused have more in common with the movements headed by those leaders than you can ever imagine.
Final thoughts: check your writing and thoughts for clarity, accuracy, precision, relevance, depth, breadth, significance, logic, and fairness as any critically thinking, reasonable, fair-minded and accountable person would do. When you can do this as we have done in many of the posts and comments at FRS (and which we have backed up by citations of authoritative studies, peer-reviewed journal articles, and news stories) then I'll read and seriously consider what you have to say. Note that we should all expect to be held to these same measures in our thoughts and writings.
Propaganda lurks everywhere and no one and no group has a monopoly on "the truth" -- merely their version of it. To be aware of your own BS and everyone else's, consider an excerpt from:
"The Thinker's Guide For Conscientious Citizens on How to Detect Media Bias & Propaganda
In National and World News
Dear Reader,
The logic behind bias and propaganda in the news media is simple and it is the same the world over. Each society and culture has a unique world view. This colors what they see and how they see it. News media in the cultures of the world reflect the world view of the culture they write for. But the truth of what is happening in the world is much more complicated than what appears to be true in any culture. To be a critical reader of the news media in any society, one must come to terms with this truth and read accordingly. Critical thinking is a complex set of skills that reverses what is natural and instinctive in human thought.
The uncritical mind is unconsciously driven to identify truth in accordance with the following tacit maxims:
• “It’s true if I believe it.”
• “It’s true if we believe it.”
• “It’s true if we want to believe it.”
• “It’s true if it serves our vested interest to believe it.”
The critical mind consciously seeks the truth in accordance with the following instinct-correcting maxims:
• “I believe it, but it may not be true.”
• “We believe it, but we may be wrong.”
• “We want to believe it, but we may be prejudiced by our desire.”
• “It serves our vested interest to believe it, but our vested interest has nothing to do with the truth.”
Mainstream news coverage in a society operates with the following maxims:
• “This is how it appears to us from our point of view; therefore, this is the way it is.”
• “These are the facts that support our way of looking at this; therefore, these are the most important facts.”
• “These countries are friendly to us; therefore, these countries deserve praise.”
• “These countries are unfriendly to us; therefore, these countries deserve criticism.”
• “These are the stories most interesting or sensational to our readers; therefore, these are the most important stories in the news.”
Critical readers of the news reverse each of these maxims. This Mini-Guide explains how to do this and thus reduce the influence of bias and propaganda on the mind.
Richard Paul Linda Elder
Center for Critical Thinking Foundation for Critical Thinking"
http://www.criticalthinking.org/files/SAM-MediaBias1.pdf (exerpt pdf)
http://www.criticalthinking.org/store-page.cfm?P=products&ItemID=167&catalogID=224&cateID=132 (full version)
Anonymous-
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to hear of your trials. Being wrongly accused or deviously accused of something is bad enough, but I don't think there are many things worse than to be wrongly accused of crimes of intimate violence and betrayal against another.
I thank you for sharing the consequenses of that Unjust Burden here where others can read and ponder. It makes my heart hurt.
If you were to walk into my office and tell your story, i would be sorrowful, i would find out how i could help, and at the end of the day i would grieve for you while driving home. And if it were my job, i would work to end the crime though prosecuting false reporters.
I am glad to hear that you are not harbouring hateful feelings. You brought up the great nonviolence leaders in your comment. The immense weight of injustice and mistreatment of peoples is something we can all use to stay humble. (In fact, the Season for Nonviolence, which started in L.A. and which we celebrate here, is the 64 days between the death memorials of King and Gandhi.) However, remember that women have been considered property, the world over and through time. I will not bore you or hurt you beyond healing with the earth's story of children and women, at the mercy of Bad Strong Humans, for thousands of years.
We are all at each other's mercy.
You say in your note above, any woman can destroy with lies and networking; i say any human can hurt another with whatever means they have.
The decision to hurt and lie and rape and kill and destroy--this is the focus for me. It is not about sex, race, or method.
I am not on a team.
I don't think "we" in "my cause" hurt "more" than you.
The prejudice against me personlly due to the work i do seems to show how emotion, not clear-thinking, is propelling anger and even professed hate (see short comments above)
The archivist
can help those who need his help;
i am helping those who need mine.
Justice denied and Lives ruined result in an overlap of certain emotions for rape victims and those falsely accused, i'm sure.
march 6th was my birthday. lets all be merry
ReplyDeleteTIARA
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ReplyDeleteJust remember: Jesus was NOT a Christian and Freud was NOT a Freudian.
"i would find out how i could help, and at the end of the day i would grieve for you while driving home. And if it were my job, i would work to end the crime though prosecuting false reporters."
Oh but you can help! And it is your job as well as any other seemingly compassionate human being. What you can do is lend a critical thinking and fair-minded eye to the entirety of the False Rape Society blog: read every article and comment. Read every linked paper, study, journal article. Get the facts. These problems exist because of the illusion that we are separate. The fact is that you are on a team, but there is only one team. There is no "us" and there is no "them" there is only suffering and an end to suffering. Our success is determined by what we choose to ignore. Since you are obviously Christian, in regard to the negative comments posted above -- see Luke 23:34.
"I will not bore you or hurt you beyond healing with the earth's story of children and women, at the mercy of Bad Strong Humans, for thousands of years. "
You mean Bad Strong Humans like Cleopatra, Jezebel, Emma Goldman, Bonnie Parker, Doña Marina (La Malinche), Lizzie Borden, Andrea Yates, Dena Schlosser, and Potiphar's Wife? That women have been oppressed in history and in modern times there is no doubt. It is also interesting to note that decline of all ancient civilizations was preceded by the increased economic and political power of women: Women were found in large numbers in the workforce and professions; they became athletes, actresses, and even gladiators. Correlation is not causation, however, nor does it imply that history must repeat itself. That fact is that women in the western world are not only no longer chattel, but have been granted unrestrained power over men through the perversion of the justice system.
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ReplyDeleteJust remember: Jesus was NOT a Christian and Freud was NOT a Freudian.
"i would find out how i could help, and at the end of the day i would grieve for you while driving home. And if it were my job, i would work to end the crime though prosecuting false reporters."
Oh but you can help! And it is your job as well as any other seemingly compassionate human being. What you can do is lend a critical thinking and fair-minded eye to the entirety of the False Rape Society blog: read every article and comment. Read every linked paper, study, journal article. Get the facts. These problems exist because of the illusion that we are separate. The fact is that you are on a team, but there is only one team. There is no "us" and there is no "them" there is only suffering and an end to suffering. Our success is determined by what we choose to ignore. Since you are obviously Christian, in regard to the negative comments posted above -- see Luke 23:34.
"I will not bore you or hurt you beyond healing with the earth's story of children and women, at the mercy of Bad Strong Humans, for thousands of years. "
You mean Bad Strong Humans like Cleopatra, Jezebel, Emma Goldman, Bonnie Parker, Doña Marina (La Malinche), Lizzie Borden, Andrea Yates, Dena Schlosser, and Potiphar's Wife? That women have been oppressed in history and in modern times there is no doubt. It is also interesting to note that decline of all ancient civilizations was preceded by the increased economic and political power of women: Women were found in large numbers in the workforce and professions; they became athletes, actresses, and even gladiators. Correlation is not causation, however, nor does it imply that history must repeat itself. That fact is that women in the western world are not only no longer chattel, but have been granted unrestrained power over men through the perversion of the justice system.
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ReplyDelete..previously posted on FRS by me..
Unfortunately, with the arrival of the internet, if misinformation occurs anywhere, it occurs everywhere -- and it can do untold damage to all of us even if it is extremely rare, and no matter how well-meaning the groups and individuals may be who become involved in the process. A fascist or two in the last century told "big lies" that were repeated and fomented hysteria, hatred, and resulted in the mass murders of innocent people.
Today, instead of racial and ethnic cleansing of the past, perhaps this generation will have to also confront "gender cleansing" at the hands of gender-feminists as its main social issue.
Why and how do these things get started? At the emotional center and the likely cause of all this conflict, regardless of whether one is a falsely accused person, a gender-masculinist, gender-feminist, equity-feminist, or an advocate for equal justice is the concept of humiliation and the feeling of being humiliated. It was in part the humiliation of Germany after WWI that brought about WWII. It was a handful of women who felt humiliated by their circumstances that brought about social changes early in the last century in the United States that helped push for equality: the right to vote, equal work for equal pay, etc. It is the current humiliation of mostly young men and boys at the hands of an unjust and unfair legal system that has brought about the need for this site.
Dr. Evelin Lindner describes how humiliation can be responded to in this article:
http://www.humiliationstudies.org/documents/evelin/SpatialMetaphor.pdf
"Humiliation may be responded to within four categories of reactions: i) Humiliation may be
accepted, ii) it may be responded to with depression, iii) it may be countered with aggression,
or iv) it may be reacted to with the elimination of the humiliators, either by annihilating their
significance, or their physical existence, or by an unexpected method, namely by gaining their
respect.
The last method is the only one that yields lasting peace. Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi stand for this alternative. For thirty years most people expected a bloodbath in South Africa. Why did it not happen? Mainly because Nelson Mandela taught his followers how to overcome the pain and anger caused by humiliation under the system of apartheid.
In South Africa the humiliators and the humiliated sat down together and planned for a society in which ‘both black and white’ could be ‘assured of their inalienable right to human dignity.’
Instead of killing and annihilating his humiliators, Mandela succeeded in convincing them that they ought to discontinue their humiliation. He impressed the white elite. He stepped out of the ‘humiliator’/’humiliated’ dyad, he stepped out of the role of the re-actor, and became an
actor. He rejected the definition of the situation given by the humiliator, and with it the
‘normal’ response to humiliation, namely the upholding of an unbridgeable gap towards the
humiliator. Mandela, as well as Gandhi, ‘undermined’ the gruesome paradigm of humiliation,
and invented a peaceful response to humiliation, namely the denial to accept the role of the
victim."
The conflicts caused by misinformation can end when everyone acknowledges rational, authoritative sources of information; when everyone has respect for critical thinking and fair and just treatment; and when there is truth and accuracy in reporting.
Until then, we need to address the needs of BOTH legitimate rape complainants AND the falsely accused to restore dignity to individuals and groups on all sides of the false rape conflict.
i am already working 70+ hours per week. we each do our part, but perhaps without SLAMMING the other? I wish you well in your endeavors-- can you wish me well in mine?
ReplyDeletehappy birthday Tiara!!!!!
kt
We have legitimate grievances, and you and your fellow female supremacists, in causing those grievances and then dismissing us as misogynists and exaggerators, have secured many life-long enemies.
ReplyDeleteI will detest Feminism til the day I die. It is pure evil.
By the way, female supremacists caused these problems by making it extremely difficult to defend yourself against an accusation of a sexual crime.
ReplyDeleteThey advocated and pushed through numerous liberty violating laws, in their overzealous pursuit of a problem that they massively overblew and lied about in the first place (eg 1 in 4 and other similar bullshit female supremacist statistics).
And now they dismiss the consequences of their evil laws as acceptable and minor.
Fuck you. I want you to feel the hate coming through your screen. Feminists go to hell.
mighty crap, oh brave anonymous poster. can you please give an example of why YOU are labeling this blogger with your meant-to-be-hurtful words?
ReplyDeleteare you not feeling well?
i know katytold can take it, but i'm worried about you and that your head might burst open.
has anyone ever offered you a great big cup of shut the hell up?
There is an entire generation full of young males who feel very similarly to me.
ReplyDeleteIgnore or mock us at your peril.
Why is that? Will you use vioelnce to hurt us and feel better about yourself?
ReplyDeleteWe are already in peril.
I don't even know why you keep bringing up the feminist supreme thing. I'm just a girl on campus who knows that 80percent of guys will lie to me and don't really care about me at all. They are mean and smooth talking, and every girl i know has the same problem. So it's bye bye to beleiving you guys. like here: http://marysbeagooddogblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/sociopath-among-us-part-7-nnsd.html
ReplyDeleteNot me cj, I'm not a violent person.
ReplyDeleteBut I can't speak for everyone. And I'll gladly harm feminists and feminism in non-violent ways when given the chance.
No it's fine, I understand feminists like yourself are too stupid and short-sighted to care about making millions of enemies. Enjoy your blog, I will leave you to circle jerk in peace.
Wow... as a frequent visitor to this blog.... I am wondering how these "men" (Males?) have become so venomous about women and the feminist woman notion? I never studied feminism in college so i do not know the full issues these guys are ranting about.. but this scares me. I do not understand their rage. i am not sure i even want to try. I looked at the FRS link.. and holy shit that guy has devoted his life to this anti-women type stuff. (or as they refer to it: false accusations)and (anti- feminists)
ReplyDeleteare the basis for the free speech of hate filled posts and fellow comments...
This is basically a civil war that is flowing from this internet and will come out into streets. at least from the political philosophy pov..
But from the stats and info i have heard; the rapes on campus' are already a free flowing attack on women as vessels to be used for DICK satisfactions of all types.... i withdraw from this topic and am crawling back into my 'man cave' to watch TV.
Honestly, I think you're mistaking their anger at false accusers for anger against women in general. There are a number of female posters on TFRS, myself included, and I have never been given a hateful word by any of the regular poster.
ReplyDeleteI know they try to make it as unhateful as they can, but given the impact a false accusation has on a person, it is hard to do.
And they are right to ask for facts to back up claims like the 2% myth, the 1-in-Whatever claim, and so on. I've yet to see any hard facts supporting these claims, yet have read plenty of articles supporting the opposing side - that false rape claims are not uncommon, and rape is less common than it is made out to be.
My heart goes out to anyone who has been falsely accused of Rape. I think that instead of bickering back and forth about these things you speak of, a victim of rape and a falsely accused person should be understanding of each other's pain. Why add more struggle and pain into the world. There is no need for insults, the word "hate", or any other negatively energized words.
ReplyDelete"Please tell that to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela. Do you also consider them to be immature people who were throwing tantrums? We falsely accused have more in common with the movements headed by those leaders than you can ever imagine."
Mary never said anything about these men throwing tantrums. If you are going to attempt to mock her, then why not get it right? There really isn't any need to bring up these men in this ridiculous debate anyways, not that Mary's supporters are trying debate. It just seems that almost everyone on this comment list is looking for a fight. Instead of wasting time with this, why not do good for your cause. Do research, write to the papers, educate people about this, but do it respectfully without criticizing the women who are doing the same in our cause.
I wish you the best in your endeavors.
Kristen Marie Tebow
H.T. Survivor
@KT Survivor
ReplyDelete""Please tell that to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, and Nelson Mandela. Do you also consider them to be immature people who were throwing tantrums? We falsely accused have more in common with the movements headed by those leaders than you can ever imagine."
Mary never said anything about these men throwing tantrums. If you are going to attempt to mock her, then why not get it right? There really isn't any need to bring up these men in this ridiculous debate anyways, not that Mary's supporters are trying debate."
The comment was in my reply to her statement:
"I guess most groups have to go through, like an immature child, the tantrums of Justice Denied. It is hard to stay honorable, peacefilled, grown-up and loving after being attacked, isn't it?"
KT, I am definitely not mocking her. You need to take my comment in context to understand what I am saying. If Mary is saying "most groups" have to "go through tantrums of Justice Denied" Justice was denied to Dr. King, Gandhi, and Mandela and to the groups whom they represented. So, my question to her is legitimate. False rape accusations are a civil rights issue (for women and men). The legal system has changed to protect women at the expense of men and denied men the right of confronting their accusers per the 6th Amendment of the US Constitution: "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense." Further the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution has been trampled by rape related legislation: "Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Unfortunately, this is not a new issue. Read
Theodore Roosevelt's 1906 State of the Union Address:
http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/state-of-the-union/118.html
If we substitute racial terms with gender terms, much of what President Roosevelt expressed in his State of The Union speech in 1906 we advocate on FRS.
Over 100 years later, we continue to deal with racial and gender prejudice and mob mentality, but now our problems stem not only from the opprobrium of those who rush to judgment (including you, some of those at FRS, gender-feminists, and mens' rights activists too) but also from the very corrective measures originally designed to bring equality and end prejudice. To afford the rights of one group at the expense of the rights of another group is a violation of our Constitutional protections and guarantees. False Rape Accusations are now the bane of all men, regardless of race and age. This is a civil rights issue and I think invoking the names of King, Gandhi, and Mandela is entirely appropriate when asking for clarification from Mary. The falsely accused have much in common with the followers of those great men.
MLK, Ghandi, groups and movements and tantrums. there were groups about civili rights which were not as non-violent as king. there were lots of groups that aspired to get the things done that gandhi did, but in a bad way,. So yes, even those movements had to struggle with those members or those subsidary groups who " throw tantrums" that is work for change by being angry and mean, hurtful, holding gruges. what movement is perfect to begin with? she is it seems actually correct.
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ReplyDeleteI have an idea. Why doesn't everyone actually read some of the blogposts from both sides over the past months and get a feel for the mood, the hopes and efforts, the attitudes of those here and there.
ReplyDeleteIt seems so silly to me that anyone would want to speak about someone or something they don't really know much about, ya'know?
So, getta cuppa joe and start at the beginning and see if you might be jumping off of the cliff of assumptions.
I have to admit, the little demons really prod one to say wittily snarky, hurtful things, meant to Make One Feel Powerful, by logically destroying one's adversary.
But i resist them, i have to admit it is hard, the temptation is great.
perhaps we ALL have to WORK to eliminate these desires to send anything but Good Love into the cosmos.
now i know how glennbeck feels when the media try to say what he is about and who he is and they have no idea and have never listened to him for a minute, let alone for a long enough time to make any judgement.
folly my friends, folly.
ssshhhhhhhh.
http://www.twolisteners.org/March%201%20-%2015.htm
ReplyDeleteya'll need this
anonymous said, "And I'll gladly harm feminists and feminism in non-violent ways when given the chance... I understand feminists like yourself are too stupid and short-sighted to care about making millions of enemies. Enjoy your blog, I will leave you to circle jerk in peace."
ReplyDelete((So, Sonja Newcombe--this is not hateful violent speech? ))
Violence is more than physical, in fact, the false accusations themselves are violent, though not physical. so your comment is not logical. Wanting to commit harm is violence in your head, get it treated!
The most striking thing to me is the labeling and hate without provocation. I've read this Gooddog blog and had many laughs, good cries, seen beauty. But you have called this blogger many things, from hater to stupid to nazi to supremistfeminist to Christian to idiot.
How does that serve your cause, Falsely Accused? TELL ME! How does being violent in your speech and attitude about someone you do not know help your cause!!??
You will have to tell me what you mean about your suggestion to be jerks in a circle. is that what you do over there?
Yo KATYTOLD:
ReplyDeleteTo hate is not a hard thing to feel, we hate because we are hurt and when we fear, the pain is intolerable.
If some men HATE so much, and in this case, the injustices of being accused of a terrible crime and suffer consequences even if we are exonerate of all possible wrong doing and to make matters worse, it is so easy and simple to do. So before you decide that men HATE women so much, just remember there is a lot more men who think the women in their lives
is what is best to them and love them with the most deepest love that they know.
What is different now Katy, is men who have been silent for too long are speaking out and maybe they are awkward in their ways not like women who have develop a keen sense of expressing themselves. There as never been a time where men have been attacked in all directions by so many, the security they enjoyed for so long has vanished. Men are losing jobs faster than ever been witness before, they fear they will not be able to provide for the family and some will be incarcerated because they have lost their job and cant pay child support. Yes men are angry,
angry at themselves, angry at women, angry
because they are ignored, when is the last time you heard a positive thing about men?
I don't understand why a women like you would be surprised why men HATE so much, what do you expect them to feel when we find out a women who accused 4 boys of raping her had to change her story because one of the boys had recorded the whole scene on his cell phone. She was not convicted of a crime, not even accused of wrong doing. I must admit these types of actions are in the minority but it still makes
men angry.
To finish my (angry) ranting, If I may Katy,
I would like to tell you I admire your convictions, you have place yourselves in the line of fire in order to bring sanity in a forum full of people with pain and fear and I must say you have done a great favor to many,
instead of getting angrier, you are showing compassion for those who have suffered, I know this will sound crazy but I think you should
participate more in discussions with the men on their forums, they will HATE you, they will attack you but in the end they will feel someone has listen to them and felt their pains and fears and because of this they will not HATE so much, as I do less after reading your words. Thank you Katy
You picked a fight by offering your ignorant opinion on this subject and belittling the pain and suffering caused by Feminism's relentless evil war against men.
ReplyDeleteThe consequences in these comments are mild at worst. You really had no idea how angry people are at what Feminists have done, and you can be excused for that.
Maybe you've learned a lesson here, maybe you're going to be in for another shock. Up to you.
And on a side note; I highly recommend you not to conflate women with feminists. It's a pathetic thing to do and just pisses people off.
I think many i need to find out how to become a feminist...I did not know they were so powerful over these clearly weak men especially those outside of the USA....
ReplyDeletei guess that is why women are treated so poorly in middle east because men have no mental control over their baser selves....I think many i need to find out how to become a feminist...I did not know they were so powerful over these clearly weak men especially those outside of the USA....
i guess that is why women are treated so poorly in middle east because men have no mental control over their baser selves....
YES MAYBE I WILL BECOME A FEMINIST
ReplyDeletefirst thing tomorrow as soon as I can find how where to sign up....
do I get a toaster oven if I sign up as a SUPER FEMINIST.. and If Rush Limpballs hates me... do I win a prize to get to level 3 of FEMINAZI too????
Ed, I am not sure who your comment was addressed to, but i agree that too much generalizing is going on- women, feminists, advocates, man-hater, women haters, etc.
ReplyDeleteThe primary problem
with the attacks so far
(besides the childish ones that are simple name calling or insult/anger-spewing)
come from an incorrect interpretation of what is written here.
Compared to the actual, verifiable, witnessed/hospital-treated number of violent crimes
committed against women
--usually by a known assailant--
COMPARED to that statistic,
(STATISTICS which have been discussed, linked to posted etc at length here and are readily available to any student)
-comparatively, the false reports of rape are rare. It is far more common for a rape to go unreported than reported, to begin with.
These two statistics are stated by Department of Justice and by FBI and local (male) police officers/departments.
I am glad they are COMPARATIVELY rare because it is so wrong/evil/unbalance/unhinged to do such a thing.
Just becasue they are rare COMPARED to the number of verified assualts against women and children does not make each one any less vile and life changing. I myself, as would most therapists or counselors, would be instantly ready to work with an individual on the psychological aftermath of the false accusation, just as with the victim of a violent crime. I myself have worked with two men who were falsely accused. They were drawn to our office for assistance as they probably felt they had no where else to go. I am a fairly normal intelligent compassionate spiritually-minded woman, like most of my peers, and have no built-in anger toward any group. Even though most women i know have been the targets of violence and deception in their lives, they do not hate a group of people.
FRS folks: Just because your CAUSE is just and your work is needed does not mean that our work is wrong. I assist dozens and dozens of women and a few men every semester who were drugged, assualted, beaten, raped, sodomized with items, (etc.)
and--Women have in fact been Trained to blame themselves when they are attacked. Even women whose apartments were broken into and who suffered terrible assaults wonder what they did wrong. Often, and Widespread in the recent past, Communities do not want to believe certain types of men could really rape, so they hope the victim is lying. That does not help (me or you) and i hope i can move them away from that response. http://marysbeagooddogblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/sociopath-among-us-part-7-nnsd.html
Research from Dr. David Lisak (U of Mass Boston) might be useful for some to read.
( trinity5seven you are funny)
FRS folks- your Political Fight is your own to pursue but some of you--by letting your anger and bitterness be your guide and making false assumptions about my or anyone's heart and motives, you denigrate yourselves.
To the others- why fight the Good Fight in a bad and hurtful way? i am afraid Snark's fate will mirror that of Herod if he doesn't calm down. (see how uselessly provocative that is?)
So- Peace to all and remember--it is not the burden you carry but How You Are while you carry it. (http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/frankl/frankl.html) And i am SURE some of you thought, when you were young, if you were ever given a heavy heavy heavy burden to carry, you would do it well, with honor and humility, and think of One who was wrongly accused before you, and wait for Light to ease your burden.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteYo KATYTOLD: To hate is not a hard thing to feel, we hate because we are hurt and when we fear, the pain is intolerable."
Thank you for your post. thought provoking. Your comments on the psychological response is interesting nd perhaps paralleled- I think women also (before they were so good at expressing themselves) became angry with hate and fear inside [due to the global denigration of women].
I ponder that fear is the oppostie of love, and perhaps peace is the opposite of hate.
thanks for posting.
KatyTold,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the work you are doing for victims of this kind of crime, but as I said, your opinion on the false allegations problem is ignorant, and you've shown that again in the many mistakes in your reply to my comment.
Please make the effort to educate yourself before weighing in, and don't be surprised when people get upset if you haven't done that.
False rape allegations are hugely harmful. They waste police and justice resources, they hurt the credibility and thus the justice achieved for real victims, and they more often than not destroy the lives of the accused. People falsely accused of this crime lose their jobs, their families, reputation, and sometimes even their lives. Even after acquitted, thanks in part to Feminists who assert that every reported rape that doesn't lead to a conviction is a miscarriage of justice.
Rape is a heinous crime, and you do your cause no services at all by dismissing the importance of people who lie about it.
Ed, I'd just like to ask, where have i ever "dismissed the importance of people who lie about it?"
ReplyDeleteMy stance on false reporters has never changed. It is a horror and is the worst thing i think a man might endure--when i think of those men i care for in such a situation, it blows my mind. unfathomable. This is how i have always felt.
False reporting
is a different issue
than my field,
which is helping actual crime victims.
False reporters should be prosecuted. Those in your work must publicize the facts.
Those in my field must show how common rape is, how underreported it is, how little justice occurs, how few arrests are made.
The vast majority of women
and every single man
i have worked with will NOT REPORT the crime. They do not want their parents to feel that pain, they do not want publicity. They hope they can heal and move on.
No one from any site has ever asked my feelings about false reporters.
Katytold - "those in my field must show how common rape is, how underreported it is, how little justice occurs, how few arrests are made".
ReplyDeleteRape convictions in the UK are are as sucessful as with any other crime but when totaling the figures every reported rape is counted (that includes the recants and stories that fall apart on investigation) to make it appear as if there is a poor conviction rate. Most feminist figures relating to rape and other abuse has been debunked. Can you provide your sources for us?
You claimed that false rape allegations are rare and therefore unimportant.
ReplyDeleteNot only are they not rare at all (Feminists lie about this), but they are very important with many urgent and crucial changes necessary. False accusers usually get off scot-free, and even when convicted they rarely get a suitable punishment. Efforts to change this are repeatedly blocked by Feminists who completely misconstrue the issue, similarly to yourself. Accusers of sex crimes have undue power because of the efforts of Feminists to foment near fanatical treatment of cases in the public eye, and because the laws they have created that make it very difficult to defend yourself against such an allegation. Many of these laws are direct violations of civil rights to fair trial and unconstitutional.
Feminism is directly responsible for harm caused by false allegations, and when Feminists like you flippantly dismiss the damage it REALLY pisses people off.
I hope that clarifies.
I was falsely accused of stealing $20.00 as a high school girl, maliciously by another girl. I was devastated for YEARS afterward.
ReplyDeleteI'm repelled by your comparing being accused of RAPE! the most heinous of crimes! to littering!
People falsely accused of littering do not become social parriahs. They do not end up on public registries subject to vigilante attacks and shunning - along with their children, families and everything they hold dear. Falsely accused people do not spend decades in prison until DNA exonerates them.
Being falsely accused of something so horrific as rape would have to be at least as soul destroying as rape is. A rape victim has a chance to recover with time and help - a falsely accused person publicly branded for life cannot live where they want, hold a job where they want, or even sometimes see their children. Their lives are OVER, and there's no hope of 'recovery'.
How can you be so cavalier about something so devastating? Do you not hear yourself? Do you not hear what you are saying to these people?
Talking about needing to walk a mile in the shoes of one falsely accused.
This blogger has never said false reports are unimportant. Please read the blog and stop misquoting, and saying stuff like "femnists like you" when you have no knowlege. read the blog to determine who this person is and you are all freaking out over pre judging jumping to conclusions.
ReplyDelete$20.00 girl:
since you cannot understand the written word please get someone to explain it to you. Your complete misunderstanding of the littering comment is an example of all the silliness from commenters who are speaking out of complete misinterpretation. and if you were traumatized for years because of your 20.00$ false report, you need to get some serious intervention. sweetie.
ed says
ReplyDelete"And on a side note; I highly recommend you not to conflate women with feminists. It's a pathetic thing to do and just pisses people off."
It is from the beginning the FRS posters who have been doing that. Please stop assuming that women agasint rape are somehow feminists or politally your enemies. Your threats are off-topic since we are not your enemies. and it makes you sound like your crazy and out of control.
A woman's life may be destroyed through rape (AIDS, pregnancy, depression, financially) so let people help them. Far more girls lives are wrecked than men. Maybe the UK has a differnt justice system, but here in good ol USA, most rapes never see trial and conviction rate is low.
I lookd back over this blogsite and couldnt find any place where she disses you. Maybe there is a big problem with fasle reporters in the UK?
Yeah, this is a waste of my time.
ReplyDeleteI really do hope for your sakes that you take the time to figure this out properly, without resorting to half-baked nonsense like accusations of misogyny simply because it is comforting to your world perceptions, because clearly this animosity totally perplexes you. The number of people who declare themselves enemies of Feminism when they learn the truth about what Feminism has done while pretending to care about gender equality to claim moral superiority, is growing daily. This sort of thing is bound to pop up again as long as you concern yourself with these topics, and as long as Feminists refuse to give honest examination as to why it is people are so upset.
Good bye and good luck, I'm removing my bookmark for this page now.
I'm sorry some people cannot see that everywoman or man who works to stop rape is not a feminist in the political sense.
ReplyDeleteThat word is a category you are calling someone and then basing your anger at because of that label but what if you are wrong?
What if all the meanspirited posts are based on a false premise?
What if you are attacking someone's work wrongly?
The so called accusations are not of misogyny but of racing to judgement.
I do wish there could be a better way to converse about it all.Maria L.
Hi Maria,
ReplyDeleteI am also saddened by the direction of the discussion on this blog. The reason why I engaged in a blog is to learn about things that are part of my well being. Fortunately, questions are being answered by someone like Katy who in my opinion is well educated in the field of assault and aggression inflicted on women in general and she also express equal concern for men who suffers from false allegations. I am perplexed why a few have made this a anti-feminist conflict, I agree many laws may appear to condemn a male even before he is found guilty but most of these laws have been approved by men, their intentions is not to incarcerated more men but to protect women against still a almost comical attitude of many men of womens fears and concerns. False accusations is a different
animal, it is not a crime of women against men, like many would feel justified to define,
It is a terrible crime because it is ignored as such, but it is rare, I have never had a relative or friend being accused falsely but did know a few girls and women who were raped including my sister. And I will tell who this, she was never the same after and she became bitter and her brightest smile disappear.
Not all men will equate the crime of rape with
false allegations of rape, not all men are full of hate towards women, not all men despise feminism, they is still many of us who will feel shame when a man will force himself
on a women like an furious animal, we will not be proud of our gender we will lose our smile,
I did write this because I believe there is a lot of good people who may be disturbed by some of the comments express by some who only know hate but most men are aware of the importance of the work that is being done for the victims of rape and others who have been traumatized by false allegations. For all who fit that description, I admire your convictions and your courage to stand and protect the victims.
I must admit, I am surprised the women posters here are so surprised by male anger - have you met men before? If you need to see it from our side of the fence, increase your testosterone levels 20-fold and then have someone that you can be placed in prison, based almost entirely on someone else's say-so (I say almost because many false accusations of rape occur after consensual sex, meaning that forensic "evidence" is also there to back up the claim). It probably won't please you. How about I then tell you that, if found to be innocent (as you protested all along), the accuser will face no punishment. Not even a prison sentence.
ReplyDeleteBut the most annoying thing about this is...if this was happening to women, you'd be up in arms. Men everywhere would be called scum for allowing this to happen. Abusing their power for their own ends. Basically everything feminists have called us before.
But because this happens to men, you all feel kind of...ambivalent. It can't happen to you, so you don't see it as a travesty, just an imposition. The funny thing is, your grandmothers/great grandmothers used to speak as we do about false accusers when talking about the vote for women. Or more jobs for women. Or getting women in the army. But for some reason, the fight that women have endured for years to get equal rights seems to have left you all incapable of seeing what equality would be.
I suspect that there are very few women that think they are capable of rape, never mind actually performing it. But how many of you have cajoled your husband/boyfriend/friend with benefits because you were feeling horny? How many of you have woken a man up with a sex act? How many of you have purposefully waited until a man was extremely drunk before making your move?
The biggest mistake women make is believing that they automatically exist on a higher moral plane because they can give birth to new life. It is this mentality that leads some women to think that they can falsely accuse men of rape - as if it is a just punishment to give out as they see fit. (Please read some of the cases from FRS for more info) A new debate over the gender equality problem needs to occur for these issues to be addressed. If only for women to avoid potential pitfalls in the future - if you think these boys are angry now, wait and tread on their liberties some more....
I am a woman. I love men. I do not understand why anyone thinks this comment:
ReplyDelete"instead of positing self-righteous blather?
I thought not. by
Pierce Harlan False Rape Society"
is not insulting. Of course it is!
I would think that men who are falsely accused would have more empathy for women who work for rape victims. You err by thinking all advocates are radical feminazis.
I have been to the FRS site, and while some of the articles are well written and the site is clearly neccessary, the commenters are very low, meanspirited, prejudiced and sometimes just violent.
I am surprised that the men are so hatey because that is not a good healthy way to respond to tribulation. I went to the first event at KSU many months ago that got all this talk going, and all the criticism about man hating is just off base.
My guess is after being bitten
by a mean woman, you think they are all the same.
God Bless.
All I ask is that you peruse this blog from the beginning and do not bungeejump to conclusions.
ReplyDeletei have also decided to ponder/expand a bit the topic of false reporting in presentations i give; although this issue varies country to country due to the wide variance in laws;
...
kt
I don't have any experience with false rape accusations, but I was falsely accused of DV. The female prosecutor knew the woman's injuries were self-inflicted, but prosecuted me anyway saying to my lawyer in private "he's probably done something illegal in his life". The case lasted 2 years and was dismissed on the morning of the trial when a forensic pathologist arrived in the courtroom to testify the woman injured herself. Unfortunately my elderly parents could not handle the stress of a 2 year court proceeding, my father died 4 days before the trial and my mother 1 day before, both of heart failure.
ReplyDeleteI have a work friend who argued with a neighbor over where to put a fence on the boundry of their yards. The neighbor's wife solved the dispute by calling the police and saying my friend was molesting his own daughters. My friend was arrested and his 2 girls taken away to a foster home. There was no evidence against him, but it took over a year for the man to be cleared and the children returned. It worked out great for the false accuser, she got her fence where she wanted it.
Flase accusation are not rare, they are very common, maybe more common than rape or actual violence. They are encouraged by feminist hate groups to gain a political advantage.
An addendum to my above post, the woman who self-inflicted her own injuries did so by cutting and scratching her own breasts. She later said she did this to get as much sympathy as possible from her injuries.
ReplyDeleteBut it turns out when you cut yourself its pretty difficult to get the injury consistent with how a real attacker would have done: angles, pressure, patterns, etc.
By the way, after she was discovered, she was let off without any criminal charges. The prosecutor did not want to sent a message that false accusations would get anyone into trouble with the law.
http://marysbeagooddogblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/false-accusation-liars-honorable.html
ReplyDeleteanyone who frames another for a crime should be prosecuted tio the full extent of the law. who could argue otherwise?
The Baltimore Police Department has for the past four years recorded the highest percentage of rape cases that officers conclude are false or baseless of any city in the country, according to The Baltimore Sun's review of FBI data.
ReplyDeleteMore than 30 percent of the cases investigated by detectives each year are deemed unfounded, five times the national average. Only Louisville and Pittsburgh have reported similar numbers in the recent past, and the number of unfounded rape cases in those cities dropped after police implemented new classification procedures.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-md-ci-rapes-20100519,0,5338041.story?page=1&track=rss
Thank you for this item.
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And are preparing a large report on this issue for later this summer.
based on the just the stats given in your post, (and if we assumed that "unfounded" really meant FALSE, not just "no evidence")it suggests that about a third, 30%, is 5 times the national average. So the national average would be 6% or 7%. Or, approx. 93 reports of rape would be be "true" our of every 100.
more here: http://marysbeagooddogblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/ugly-file-on-any-given-day.html
Katytold is making a valid statement. False reports of rape is an injustice. Any false accusation is an injustice. There are people sitting on death row for murder who have been falsely accused. It is obvious the falsely are angry and bitter and its understandable. An allegation and a conviction are two different things. Ed seems to be making wholesale assaults on all rape allegations which seems foolhardy. Rape is usually under reported and notoriously difficult to prosecute. If a person falsely accused didn't go to jail the justice system has worked for them and that is also a fact. Show some compassion to real rape victims who also suffer social stigma, depression, suicide etc without the virtue of a trial. Which is the vast majority of vics whether you want to believe it or not.
ReplyDeleteThe woman who created this blog is another pathetic low life, bitter BITCH!!!
ReplyDeleteThey have done studies on feminists and they determine that most feminist have low self esteem, they are not sexually satisfied, they have a tendency for mental issues and think of themselves as ugly and not attractive enough for men to look at them.
FUCK YOU FEMINIST GARBAGE BITCH
Very sweet and clever, it is clear you have read a lot of posts on this blog.
ReplyDeleteJust kidding, but why don't you read a few so you will find some humor or beauty? Start with any post called Sweetest fridays, they tend to be funny.
Also, my fellow human, Please find a friend and discuss why you decided to manifest such utterly crass, vulgar and freaked out feelings in an anonymous way on this blog.
I'm a little worried about you.
Not being sarcastic here...
To the people who resort to name calling, just stop. You can use logic and reason to win an argument but being insulting will do nothing. However Katytold is also at fault for not posting statistics. If she wants to support her cause then she should use factual information. She will lose face if she doesn't. She could also acknowledge a simple fact, people will lie. It doesn't matter what gender does it because truthfully, both genders will lie. Human beings are cruel. They will lie to get ahead or to cover themselves. The main problem is that society is more inclined to instantly believe the woman unless outstanding evidence is given to prove otherwise. The reason is because women were objectified a lot in the past and still to some extent today. But we can't just balance it out by making it the opposite side's turn to suffer. If anyone only supports one side, they support injustice. No matter what your intentions are Katytold, you are just hurting the reputation of feminists so I will advise you to hear out the other side and then provide facts to support your own argument.
ReplyDeleteto the latest Anonymous commenter:
DeleteThis blog is filled with statistics and links to comprehensive studies and meta-analyses.
It is clear from what you have written that you have not read the blog or the follow-up posts to this one--you have no idea what i have posted or my philosophy and my work.
While you state some truths in your comment ([some] people are cruel and they do lie, for example) --
Currently, due to media focusing almost EXCLUSIVELY on cases where the reporter is lying about being raped, i do not agree that most folks "instantly believe" the woman, as you suggest. As i have stated before, i pray you never have to endure a crime where no one believes you. That includes the crime of being falsely accused of a felony. Thanks for your interest.