I am NOT a supporter of the death penalty. Here's Why: click here.
However,
I can understand why some people, particularly families of individuals who have been tortured and murdered support it.
(Do you remember the Carr Brothers case- wichita?) Violence begets violence.
If you disagree with my reasons at the link above, I'd like to know why, if you want to share your reasoning.
In your comments, try not to create more violence, is my request. I know it is hard with such a terrible event.
Luis Aguirre Capital murder trial Post 1: Opening Statements HERE
Day 2-Testimony of the discovery of the deceased: HERE
Day Three in court HERE
Testimony of Dr. Spencer Tomb: HERE
Day four: state rests HERE
Coroner (Dr. Eik Mitchell ) testimony HERE
Sentencing phase: starts HERE
Sociopathic characteristics: HERE
justice served live and let live.
ReplyDeletethats not justice cant belive the jury let this POS live hopefully prisoners can take care of that little problem or who know maybe he will do us all a favor and take his own life, now he gets to live behind bars off my tax dollars for the rest of his miserable no good life......... but hey thats "justice" now a days... smh
ReplyDeleteLive and let live is a great philosophy. Toobad the people who MURDER do not live by it. Is Justice balanced or imbalanced?
ReplyDeleteThe guilty verdict is the justice in this case. Except for all of the individuals (including taxpayers) such as familes, children, --even jurors--who have been TRAUMATIZED. They do not get justice now. The penalty of death or life in prison is punishment, not justice. The jury showed mercy in their decision on punishment.
ReplyDeleteJustice for Tanya & Juan was served. I'm disappointed that he didn't get a death sentence, but he Didn't get away with Murder either. Knowing that this monster from the bowels of society will live a long, miserable life in prison is good enough for me. People in prison don't like baby-killers, and they have their 'own' law books in Prison Society. I know that the devil loves company, so he'll be more than happy to receive this monster into the gates of hell when His time comes.
ReplyDeleteIn the meantime, he'll provide Luis Aguirre with Plenty of company. If Karma rings true, he'll get his, in Life, before he dies an old pathetic man, if he even Reaches old age in prison. He will no longer be able to hurt anymore women or children.
I hope Tanya's & Juan's faces haunt you the rest of your Dying Days, but you won't be haunted, because you have No Soul! Burn in Hell Luis Aguirre!!!
I am disappointed too but you are right prison has its own laws and he will be put in general population because the defense did a good job in proving that he wasnt a "danger" so he will live the rest of the days treated like the scum he is by the other inmates he was in county up to know but state Penitentiary is another ball game...and everyone who supported him can say he was such a good person he was kind and gentle and smart but in the end it all means nothing because all he really is, is a MURDERER. Just know I keep you and your family in my prayers Im really glad I was able to meet you. Tanya and Juan really were preciouse and their life ended too soon but you will see them again..
DeleteThanks Dulce, I was pleased to have met you as well & I pray for you and your family to be able to erase any memory of having known this Monster. I truly believe that if it wasn't Tanya & Juan it would have been someone else somewhere along his life.
DeleteKnowing that he'll be in General Pop makes me Smile ;-)
very well said Sylvia....R.I.P. Tanya and Juan..
Deleteexactly people who MURDER guess some people forget we are talking about a MURDERER but MaryTold you are definetly right it is punishment not justice........RIP Tanya and Juan you were never give a trial for your life You both were given the death penalty but thats over looked in a few peoples eyes so though he had the right, he erased you from this world like he wanted but he will never erase you from everyones heart, thoughts and prayers
ReplyDeleteTrue justice will come when he has to meet his maker. I truly believe that. God has other Plans for him, trust me.
ReplyDeleteJohn 8:44: You [Luis Aguirre] are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
The Devil is a Liar, God Sees ALL. Your day will come Luis Aguirre, I promise. My faith tells me that Your day Will Come.
HE SHOULD HAVE GOT DEATH
ReplyDeleteMaybe he has repented of his sin and been Forgiven. RIP Tanya and Juan.
ReplyDeleteThis was the appropriate verdict. I am glad that jurors stood firm instead of giving in to the lynch mod mentality of this community.
ReplyDeleteCould you describe your perception of the "lynch mob mentality" in this community? I'm curious because all or almost every person in the courtroom was NOT for the death penalty. Kansas has certain aggravating factors, like most states, (more HERE: http://marysbeagooddogblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/luis-aguirre-murder-trial-sentencing.html
ReplyDelete--in fact, e.g., Illinois has twice as many aggravating factors-- that MUST be tried under death penalty statutes. As you can see, the jurors of our community chose Life. and we had members of the Kansas Coalition Against the Death Penalty in court. My own post against the death penalty is here: http://marysbeagooddogblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/judgement-compassion-and-death-penalty.html
so, i am wondering about your perceptions of this community.
While "all or almost every person in the courtroom" may not have supported the death penalty, in our community the feeling is very different.
DeleteMany people I talked to thought Mr. Aguirre should be executed simply because he was convicted. The death's were all they could see. Granted they were not in the courtroom and didn't (I would guess) fully understand how a capital trial works. But that "hang 'em" and not know all the information mentality is the very definition of a lynch mob mentality.
Illinois no longer has the death penalty.
ReplyDeleteOh thats right -- a year or was it two-- ago, didnt the governor suspend all cases? Has it been passed by the legislature yet?
DeleteI just wanted to say that I think the prosecution did an excellent job, They really presented their case well and showed what kind of person luis was, i really wish the domestic between us a few months before the murder could have been entered into evidence, but all in all he will never walk a free man. I believe in the death penalty because the victims, the dead dont get to speak on their behalf they do not have the support of a defense team, or a coalition behind them I dont take that as a lynch mob mentality. I do respect others point of view and just as i have my reasons to believe in the death penalty I know those opposed to it have their own reasons as well and they are valid points. I just want to say that at one point I did love luis a lot.. and at first I did grieve when this happen but when i found out about tanya and juan my love for luis died and instead I cried for the lives that were taken, for little Juan, my son was about the same age, and I cried because I knew what she felt and some of the things she went through because I too gave birth to my son as a teenager and it is hard. I did not wish the death penalty on him just because I was close to this case,if it had been my father, mother, sister,brother who took these beautiful lives I would still stand by the death penalty.
ReplyDeleteDulce, thank you for your comments and the strength you seem to have shown through this. I cannot imagine the trauma this has caused you. We here have thought a lot about your son. We wish all good things for you and your son and i do know that Time is a great healer.
ReplyDeleteHere is a website with up to date death penalty info for each state. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/states-and-without-death-penalty
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, about the Lynch MOb--
ReplyDeleteThanks for replying. Do you have a sense of who these folks were? Friends of yours, co-workers, acquaintences? Man on the street? DO you feel like they would gladly pull the switch themsleves? Do you think that seeing the trial, hearing about the horribly abusive childhood, the gravity of it all, could change minds?
You never know if people who set through something like this would be moved. Maybe a few. But by and large I would say that the vast majority would pull the switch themselves.
DeleteThere was a jury of 12. Over 100 questioned. Seems like many had to be dismissed because they could not be fair.
They started with 300 or more. Most were dismissed because they were against death penalty, before any other questioning began.
DeleteActually, they started with 300 who completed questionnaires but just over 100 were called. The other approx 200 were released when a jury was set, not due to their position on the death penalty. The only people released before questioning began had moved out of county, had a legitimate medical excuse, were legally not eligible to serve, etc. Those releases had nothing to do with their position on the death penalty. Confirmed this with people involved.
DeleteThank you for explaining. I was repeating what i heard in the courtroom from who i thought was a reliable source. My apologies if incorrect. (Ben franklin said believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.)
DeleteI'm very angry right now. Irregardless of the details of his childhood, he Killed an 18yr old woman and 'their' 13mo old baby, his Own Son!
ReplyDeleteGod will have the final say, and I'm ok with Life in Prison, but I just read that he'll be getting life 'With' the possibility of parole? That can't be true?? He Doesn't deserve to See another day of Freedom in his Godless life. My niece Never had the chance to reveal Her Trials, Tribulations, Struggles, Difficult Childhood, Trauma's she suffered, Any of it, yet she was assassinated???!!!! And what about Juan? An innocent BABY, Luis doesn't deserve Parole, EVER!
If he's Ever allowed to leave prison's Walls, he Will Kill Again ~ Mark My Words!
Someone must have misspoke. The jury was CLEARLY told that it is life in prison without possibility of parole. You can double check with the attorneys office to confirm. It was specifically and clearly outlined at closing.
ReplyDeleteI have also read other mistakes like "the woman and her son were killed intheir manhattan home". Media make mistakes all the time.
ReplyDeleteOh, thanks for the update. I haven't spoken to the Prosecutor's office yet today. In that case, I feel a bit better.
ReplyDeleteYou need a long hike through the colorado Rockies and a pitcher of margaritas and a three hour massage with essential oils of rosee, lavender and ylangylang. Then a long swim in a Blue Lagoon with birds singing and breeze and mild sunlight. A large platter of cool fruits, watermelon blueberries pineapple cherries.
DeleteA long long sleep while someone takes care of everything.
XO
Yes I do, but not likely to happen. Thanks for the sentiments.
DeleteI am posting a couple of new posts re: after thoughts. I am interested in how this has affected so many people. also, regarding the sentence, i want to post re this:
ReplyDeleteThose high in the Sociopathic characteristics prefer to be in the LimeLight; how receiving the death "penalty" actually serves to cost our courts a great deal of time and money as we would have to continue to work through appeals, court appearances, (puttin' on the suit,) news releases, etc-- and for many many years or decades, plays right into the hands of that one for whom SelfPity is a comfortable place to be...as it is, after the sentencing on August 7,
We're through.